# WTF: Woman Says Anti-Abortion Nurse Removed IUD Without Permission, Then Lectured Her **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 19, 2009, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925 "2009-01-19T02:20:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/21 "2009-01-19T04:34:21Z")
Note: pdf file. [Here is the actual complaint](http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/01/14/IUD.pdf). Interesting that this was alleged to take place almost exactly 2 years ago. So she certainly could be sanctioned for refusing to replace the IUD. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/22 "2009-01-19T04:43:15Z")
Okay, there’s a “Nurse Licensure Compact” referred to in the NM Nursing Practice Act. It seems to permit multi-state licensure, but I don’t know if this means holding multiple licenses simultaneously or being allowed to practice in a state in the compact without a license for that state (but with one in a different compact state). ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/23 "2009-01-19T04:46:46Z")
Another pdf from the “[New Mexico Medical Board](http://www.nmmb.state.nm.us/pdffiles/oldnewsletters/042005newsletter.pdf)” in Santa Fe dated April 2005. On page 7, Sylvia Olona is on a list of “PA Licenses not renewed in 2005”. However, she apparently [does have a current license](http://cgi.docboard.org/cgi-shl/nhayer.exe) from that body, if that is indeed the same person. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/24 "2009-01-19T04:59:17Z")
Okay, she is a [“lapsed”](https://www.doradls.state.co.us/alison.php?action=COMPDETAIL&ind=true&soboard=63&lickey=MzIyNDc5&t_o_p=0) Certified Nurse Aide in Colorado, but has not been licensed in the other nursing compact states bordering NM. Interestingly, she had this (apparently less-skilled) job after her nursing license in NM. None of this may mean anything. It’s just a change of pace not to be looking up misdeeds by members of my own profession once in a while. ---
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/25 "2009-01-19T05:08:09Z")
There is a thread over at [allnurses.com](http://allnurses.com) saying that this Olona woman is actually a Physician’s Assistant, and has been for over thirty years. ---
**Author:** ![Koxinga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/4af34b/32.png) [@Koxinga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Koxinga)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/26 "2009-01-19T05:11:37Z")
> [@susan](#): > > It’s just a change of pace not to be looking up misdeeds by members of my own profession once in a while. I shudder to think what your daughter’s boyfriends would go through. (kidding) ETA: Also, I bet you get excused from jury duty quite handily ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/27 "2009-01-19T05:12:12Z")
\<–I’m wrong, that’s a different S. Olona. Ignore previous post. > [@](#): > > However, she apparently does have a current license from that body, if that is indeed the same person. Interesting. It appears from your link that she was a PA at the time of the complaint, so was she also an NP, or misidentified, or in violation of the practice act (and maybe title act)? And if she didn’t renew, it could be that there are times she wasn’t licensed, or not licensed in NM, or she just paid late that year. Your PDF states “At all times material hereto, she was a certified nurse practitioner” but doesn’t specify state. I can’t find evidence of a license on the NM nursing board’s licensee lookup. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/28 "2009-01-19T05:18:12Z")
> [@](#): > > I shudder to think what your daughter’s boyfriends would go through. I try to use my powers for good, not for evil. That said, I wouldn’t resort to subterfuge, but I would see what the putz, er, young gentleman had to say about sex and drugs on public social networking sites. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/29 "2009-01-19T05:27:09Z")
> [@](#): > > ETA: Also, I bet you get excused from jury duty quite handily Jury, maybe. Grand jury, they just tell me that it’s not my job to look at the law. ---
**Author:** ![MsRobyn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/90ced4/32.png) [@MsRobyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsRobyn)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/30 "2009-01-19T05:31:08Z")
> [@Velma](#): > > Holy crap, I would be Pissed. IUD’s are expensive and not covered by most insurance, and mine better be good for the whole 5 years, damnit! Plus getting them inserted hurts! I would never personally get an abortion, but I would kill this woman! No shit. Mine was good for 10 years, it hurt going in, and it hurt coming out. That said, there are often excellent reasons why a woman would want (or need) a non-hormonal contraceptive. It’s not up to a PA to decide which contraception I must use to avoid offending her. If the plaintiff’s claims are indeed accurate, Ms. Olona shouldn’t be allowed to practice in OB/GYN. Robin ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/31 "2009-01-19T05:39:47Z")
Or perhaps at all. She doesn’t seem to understand her professional ethics or the law very well. ---
**Author:** ![tumbleddown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/e9bcb4/32.png) [@tumbleddown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tumbleddown)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/32 "2009-01-19T10:34:16Z")
One day this Olona woman’s going to pull this shtick, and a woman is going to slip her foot out of the stirrup and kick her right upside the head. And she’ll deserve it. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/33 "2009-01-19T11:46:27Z")
> [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](#): > > That’s what court is for, isn’t it? > > Just because one party’s story jibes with your particular hardon and the other’s does not, doesn’t mean that’s where Truth lies. > > Deprive her of her job on the say-so of someone off the street? > > That’s what court is for, isn’t it? > > Look, the only dog I have in this fight is this: just because some idiot cries that some OTHER idiot did something, the proper cause of action is not napalm it all and then wonder how to sort things out. Again, even IF the the plaintiff is lying, and the nurse was the one telling the truth, she still shouldn’t be doing this procedure, as by her own admission, she doesn’t know what the hell she’s doing! ---
**Author:** ![Cazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cazzle/32/75_2.png) [@Cazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cazzle)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 12:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/34 "2009-01-19T12:10:04Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Again, even IF the the plaintiff is lying, and the nurse was the one telling the truth, she still shouldn’t be doing this procedure, as by her own admission, she doesn’t know what the hell she’s doing! This admission > [@](#): > > ``` > "Defendant Olona stated, 'Everyone in the office always laughs and tells me I pull these out on purpose because I am against them, but it's not true, they accidentally come out when I tug.' > > ``` is part of the plantiff’s testimony. So if the plantiff is lying, the nurse may not have even made that statement. ---
**Author:** ![LouisB](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/dfb087/32.png) [@LouisB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LouisB)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/35 "2009-01-19T14:22:25Z")
> [@Lynn\_Bodoni](#): > > I think that she can still be disciplined (assuming, of course, that she did it deliberately) for pulling out the IUD. She refused to put in a new IUD, and she might be covered by that rule, but for jerking out the first IUD, I think that she can and should be punished. I if I were a woman and the nurse removed the first one, I’d be damned if I would permit her to install another. ---
**Author:** ![Lynn\_Bodoni](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e47c2d/32.png) [@Lynn\_Bodoni](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lynn_Bodoni)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/36 "2009-01-19T15:48:08Z")
You have a valid point, but if I were the woman in the stirrups, I’d be too gobsmacked to be thinking very clearly. It looks like the lawsuit was filed about 2 years ago. I wonder what’s happened to it? ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/37 "2009-01-19T16:32:24Z")
Sometimes the damn things do pop out with just a very, very light tug on the string. Not very often, though. And when they do, it generally means they were going to pop out during the next menses anyway. I’d not entrust one of my Nurse Practitioners to checking them if she was known tohave a lot of them pop out on her. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/38 "2009-01-19T17:37:08Z")
**QtM,** it looks like she’s a PA, not an NP (see above). ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/39 "2009-01-19T17:39:44Z")
> [@susan](#): > > **QtM,** it looks like she’s a PA, not an NP (see above). In that case, I’d not entrust one of my Physician Assistants to checking them if she was known to have a lot of them pop out on her. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2009, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925/40 "2009-01-19T18:00:04Z")
🙂 Just trying to be precise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wtf-woman-says-anti-abortion-nurse-removed-iud-without-permission-then-lectured-her/481925.md?page=3)