# WV\_Woman... c'mon down! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 27, 2002, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090 "2002-07-27T06:45:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![istara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e79b87/32.png) [@istara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/istara)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/101 "2002-07-29T11:54:17Z")
I already pitted this woman. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=120708](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=120708) Interestingly, when I searched for the post, it turned out to have had exactly 666 hits. That may be significant or it may be not. ---
**Author:** ![Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/db5fbb/32.png) [@Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/102 "2002-07-29T14:43:02Z")
I don’t disagree with you about **taggert’s** post being satire, **Rex**. What I take exception to is the fact that, when it comes to politics, **he appears to have no real opinion** outside of, again, alledgedly witty satire. Even non-political discussions (like the USPS link posted by **sailor** ) veer off, apropos of nothing, into weird rants about “moral clarity” in which he free associates from one button pushing topic to the next. His posts actually _punish_ those who read them and take him seriously. If someone points out that he’s being satirical, he’ll go off on another bizarre and nonsensical rant about satire being a liberal tool that he would never, ever use. Reading a post by **taggert** is a lose-lose situation. You mentioned the possibility of mellowing out. I agree with you that most people settle down. I see basically three options for the future of **taggert** : 1. **taggert** owns up to the fact that 90% of his posts are not serious in nature. This means, basically, he’s been saying crazy stuff to get a reaction. 2. **taggert** keeps up his usual routine: posting insane rantings at the drop of a hat. Eventually, he’ll cross the line in his desire to offend, and say something a little too offensive. 3. **taggert** actually reveals his true opinions and stops attempting to hijack every thread he participates in into a discussion of “moral clarity”. He will, of course, have to ignore his behaviour for the first month after he registered, and hope that others will do the same. I can’t really run the probabilities on these choices, and I won’t speculate as to which one is the most likely. Seeing as how the chance is there that he will one day cease to be so annoying, I was out of line for saying “eventual banning”. I should have, instead, said “either his eventual banning or reform”. ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/103 "2002-07-29T15:46:14Z")
I find the observations of **thegrimspectreofreddeath** cogent. (As a hijack, let me say that whenever I see that user name I always wonder if there is also a lighthearted spectre of red death, spectres of varying emotional orientation of other-colored deaths, spectres of varying colors and emotional makeups of other anthropomorphic personalizations, etc., and then wonder if Death posted here, would he be flamed for posting in ALL CAPS?) Anyway, **taggert** , whom I have been assured is posting satirically, seems to do effectively nothing but (though I have not run a search to validate that fact). I’m curious as to where one draws the line between relatively witty deadpan ironic posts and actual trollery. Numerous people have come on this board with the intent of creating hostility by taking stances they did not hold and which were unpopular among a majority, and arguing them at length. And they have been regularly banned for it. In what way (aside from wittiness) does **taggert** ’s ongoing series of ultraconservative-voiced and sometimes apparently bigoted posts differ from these posters’ behavior? I’m not calling for his banning or anything of the sort. I personally rarely post ironically, preferring to state my views as objectively and non-hostilely as possible. Others’ styles differ. And I can see a spectrum of styles. (I could not possibly bring myself to post in **TheRyan** ’s style, but I do respect him.) But at what point does extended irony turn into trollery? I think it’s a question worth discussing. And, to get back to the OP, **WV\_Woman** espouses unpopular views, sometimes not defending them well, but apparently with sincere intent. Though that does not preclude a Pit thread zapping her views (this one), is she being offensive in taking the stances she does? If so, how, and with what consequences? ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/104 "2002-07-29T16:40:51Z")
\>\> is she being offensive in taking the stances she does? If so, how Drive by posts, with no intention of engaging or participating, just a spout and run, are disrespectful to those participating in the thread. It is the equivalent of a group of people in their living room discussing something of their interest and someone wlaks in from the yard for a second, spouts some inane stupidity and walks out again with no intention of participating. It is plain rude. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/105 "2002-07-29T17:32:25Z")
Kudos to **Polycarp and Fred** : In addition to their excellent points, Taggert isn’t even doing parody as such. Lookit his response in Lynn’s “Discuss the new Pit rules” thread. His attempt at parody is “Conservatives want to ban parody! Hyuckkk!” :rolleyes: It’s only funny if there’s some truth in it. Frankly, I see no difference between him and SweatWilly except their choice of target. Fenris ---
**Author:** ![ElwoodCuse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/edb3f5/32.png) [@ElwoodCuse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElwoodCuse)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/106 "2002-07-29T18:44:21Z")
This thread gave me the funniest mental image– **WV\_Woman** with a Tec-9 and a pimpmobile, doing a drive-by on yet another thread, and then affixing an SDMB sticker to the front panel of the car a la fighter jets or bombers. **WV\_Woman** –you are free to your opinions. Just please be prepared to defend and/or back them up, and stop crying like a little baby when someone (horrors!) disagrees with you. Oh, and did we ever find out for sure if **whiterose** was her sock? ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/107 "2002-07-29T19:15:11Z")
[QUOTE] _Originally posted by Larry Mudd \* \*\*Bite me. You’re about a cunt-hair less of dribbling idiot than WV\_W, and have been dropping steaming loads of acrimonious bullshit all over the place. No doubt you don’t like to see her called on her stupidity- It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if you fantasized about her nightly, while masturbating into a crusty sock. What has **Brutus** brought to us?[ul][li][If the CIA was a worth a damn these days, we would have never heard of [John Walker Lindh]. He’d be in some shallow unmarked grave in Afghanistan…](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2276831#post2276831)[_][Why should the President give a serious listen to ‘those critics’? We elect a President, not a panel of critics.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2270669#post2270669)[_][It is so simple to NOT get AIDS, that I have zero sympathy for those who engage in risky behavior and then bemoan their fate.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=124537&perpage=50&pagenumber=1)[_](Re: Ann Coulter) [Since she is not some bull-dike leftist, I know she won’t be too popular with most of the folks here, but she is quite popular among conservatives.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2265213#post2265213)[_][I am gratefull that we have a president with enough common-sense to not lead America into the [International Criminal Court].](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2261565#post2261565)[_][Until the various terrorist-breeding peoples of the world love us or fear us, they will keep churning out terrorists. And it is far easier to make them fear us then love us.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2258663#post2258663)[/ul]…and on and on. Suffering Christ, man, you’re not only a moron, you’re fucking _loud_ about it. \*\*[/li][/QUOTE] Not to sound like too much of a fan boy \*\*Larry Mudd \*\*, but that post was a well-reasoned, well-supported first class Pitting. I am officially throwing my support behind your posts. Well done! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Mudd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f14d63/32.png) [@Larry\_Mudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Mudd)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/108 "2002-07-29T20:18:27Z")
That’s sarcasm, right, **elf6c**? 'Cuz I think that’s the first time I’ve spewed vitriol over another SDMB member and I can’t help feeling vaguely ashamed, even if I _do_ think he’s a pinhead. I disagree with him about as much as is humanly possible, (and I _do_ think he’s a bigoted pinhead,) but he does at least _argue_ his points, and _real_ argument, as opposed to mere bickering, is usually a constructive thing. **WV\_W** is much more of a waste of skin and bandwidth. It’s just that **Brutus** ’s petulant response here got up my ass. ---
**Author:** ![TwistofFate](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@TwistofFate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TwistofFate)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/109 "2002-07-29T22:28:40Z")
Brutus, WV\_Woman etc. they all read like they’ve been smoking Dirty Tina. ---
**Author:** ![Francesca](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/9fc348/32.png) [@Francesca](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Francesca)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2002, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/110 "2002-07-29T22:49:49Z")
> [@](#): > > That’s sarcasm, right, elf6c? I don’t think it was. I think it was a compliment on a well-researched, succint and erudite post. Take a compliment as it’s meant, **Larry**. (smilie here) ---
**Author:** ![QueenAl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/d26b3c/32.png) [@QueenAl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QueenAl)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/111 "2002-07-30T00:11:05Z")
**Polycarp** , you had me LOL with this: > [@](#): > > (As a hijack, let me say that whenever I see that user name I always wonder if there is also a lighthearted spectre of red death, spectres of varying emotional orientation of other-colored deaths, spectres of varying colors and emotional makeups of other anthropomorphic personalizations, etc., and then wonder if Death posted here, would he be flamed for posting in ALL CAPS?) I anxiously await posts from The Mildly Perturbing Spectre of Beige Death. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/112 "2002-07-30T02:07:22Z")
I always thought it was The Grim Spectre o’ Fred Death. IE: Fred Death died, and this is his grim Spectre! Fenris ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/113 "2002-07-30T02:25:45Z")
What pisses me off is she whines about “pansy-ass liberals”, yet apparently, she’s so weak she can’t bear to have her views challenged. Oh poor me, pity me, because people actually except me to back up my posts with facts and not my own stupid prejudices. Oh woe is me! ---
**Author:** ![cagiva650](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cagiva650](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cagiva650)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/114 "2002-07-30T02:43:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sailor \* > \*\*\>\> is she being offensive in taking the stances she does? If so, how > > Drive by posts, with no intention of engaging or participating, just a spout and run, are disrespectful to those participating in the thread. It is the equivalent of a group of people in their living room discussing something of their interest and someone wlaks in from the yard for a second, spouts some inane stupidity and walks out again with no intention of participating. It is plain rude. \*\* Interesting point, and the woman in question does have a knack for driving post counts up across the board, but just take a look at the number of times many of the same folks chime in again and again telling of WV\_W off in the same way - ::I don’t roll eyes:: Some of ya’ll are starting to grow anther head and its butt ugly! ---
**Author:** ![Fred](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/db5fbb/32.png) [@Fred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fred)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/115 "2002-07-30T06:08:47Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Fenris \* > \*\*I always thought it was The Grim Spectre o’ Fred Death. > > IE: Fred Death died, and this is his grim Spectre! > > Fenris \*\* It was. ☹ However, the screen name was apparently to many characters without spaces for the board to handle. So, the name was torn arbitrarily asunder – by Nazi Admin’s! ---
**Author:** ![Squish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8797f3/32.png) [@Squish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squish)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 8:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/116 "2002-07-30T08:05:37Z")
mmm… Paul Gross… Michael McManus… Geraint Wyn Davies… Nigel Bennett… \ Oh, sorry–this isn’t the Canadian Actors Drool thread, is it? “Drive by posting” is a particularly apt description of **WV\_Woman** ’s style and that is what pisses me off. She flies into a thread, drops her smelly turd of ignorance, and then flies away. She never backs up her point or actually participates in any thread in any depth. **Polycarp** , you’re a _Good Omens_ fan, I take it? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Catgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ecc23a/32.png) [@Catgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catgirl)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 11:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/117 "2002-07-30T11:36:32Z")
I am so glad that i found this thread i was starting to feel like a bitch for dis-liking WV\_WOMAN but now that i see that so many other people are unhappy with her it makes me feel just a little better but still pissed off that she aggrees with the abuse of children ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/118 "2002-07-30T13:16:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Larry Mudd \* > \*\*That’s sarcasm, right, **elf6c**? 'Cuz I think that’s the first time I’ve spewed vitriol over another SDMB member and I can’t help feeling vaguely ashamed, even if I _do_ think he’s a pinhead. I disagree with him about as much as is humanly possible, (and I _do_ think he’s a bigoted pinhead,) but he does at least _argue_ his points, and _real_ argument, as opposed to mere bickering, is usually a constructive thing. > > **WV\_W** is much more of a waste of skin and bandwidth. > > It’s just that **Brutus** ’s petulant response here got up my ass. \*\* It was because you don’t normally rip people- **Brutus** badly needed to be called out for his posts, and you did so in a humorous manner, while at the same time using well labled links fully supporting your strongly, but fairly made points. I had thought the same thing, but you had put it into place better then I could have. While some of the language was a bit on the harsh side, it was IMHO, appropriate given the nature and tenor of **Brutus’** post. ---
**Author:** ![elf6c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c57346/32.png) [@elf6c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elf6c)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/119 "2002-07-30T13:19:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Francesca \* > \*\* > > I don’t think it was. I think it was a compliment on a well-researched, succint and erudite post. Take a compliment as it’s meant, **Larry**. (smilie here) \*\* Spot on **Francesca**. Thanks !! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2002, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090/120 "2002-07-30T15:16:45Z")
I like Pratchett – he makes me question my assumptions! (So, for that matter, does Fred’s spectre;)) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wv_woman-cmon-down/121090.md?page=7)