# WWJD Re: Gay People. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [May 18, 2019, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146 "2019-05-18T09:06:18Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/181 "2019-06-18T19:11:24Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I am not holding a position that needs to be defended. I am curious as to how those that profess to be Christian answer the question posed in the OP. … It’s a Great Debate. You are not debating, you are not holding forth a position. You are indeed, “Just Asking Questions”. What is your position? > **[Just asking questions](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions)** > > Just asking questions (also known as JAQing off, or as emojis: "🤔🤔🤔"\[1\]) is a way of attempting to make wild accusations acceptable (and hopefully not legally actionable) by framing them as questions rather than statements. It shifts the burden of... ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/182 "2019-06-18T19:16:06Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > It’s a Great Debate. You are not debating, you are not holding forth a position. You are indeed, “Just Asking Questions”. > > What is your position? > > [Just asking questions - RationalWiki](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Just_asking_questions) No more. This thread isn’t about me or your accusations about me. I am curious about what Christians of various persuasions make of the OP’s question, period. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/183 "2019-06-18T19:17:43Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No more. This thread isn’t about me or your accusations about me. I am curious about what Christians of various persuasions make of the OP’s question, period. So, what is \*your \*position in this debate? Make a position and stand by it. Dont “Just ask Questions”. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/184 "2019-06-18T19:26:04Z")
Congratulations. Deth, Czarcasm? You both got reported for being jerks. Both of you back down, now. Otherwise, I’ll close the thread and warn you both. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/185 "2019-06-18T19:29:45Z")
Fair enough. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/186 "2019-06-18T19:32:57Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > Congratulations. Deth, Czarcasm? You both got reported for being jerks. > > Both of you back down, now. Otherwise, I’ll close the thread and warn you both. What? Wanting to know the opinion of a poster, and defending yourself against people who think asking for that opinion is somehow bad means “being a jerk”? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/187 "2019-06-18T19:39:54Z")
O.k. BTW, I thought it was obvious that my supposed Jesus quote: > [@](#): > > If you can’t be with the one you love, love the one you’re with. wasn’t real-I gather from responses in this thread and a couple of PMs that there are still people out there that haven’t heard Stephen Still’s “Love The One Your With”. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/188 "2019-06-18T19:42:00Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > What? Wanting to know the opinion of a poster, and defending yourself against people who think asking for that opinion is somehow bad means “being a jerk”? To be fair, there was a bit of anger and frustration in post #180. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/189 "2019-06-18T19:45:18Z")
> [@Urbanredneck](#): > > After Jesus’s resurrection the first people Jesus appeared to were 2 women. Because they went to tend to his body, which I think female family members were supposed to do. He didn’t go to them. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/190 "2019-06-18T19:45:51Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > To be fair, there was a bit of anger and frustration in post #180. I missed the “asinine” portions before 🙂 My question still stands though. ---
**Author:** ![Bone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bone/32/407_2.png) [@Bone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bone)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/191 "2019-06-18T19:53:39Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > I missed the “asinine” portions before 🙂 > > My question still stands though. Questions about moderation go in ATMB. No more in this thread. [/moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/192 "2019-06-18T20:02:26Z")
Three religious groups that hold some sway-[Focus On The Family](https://www.focusonthefamily.com/about/focus-findings/sexuality/10-things-everyone-should-know-about-a-christian-view-of-homosexuality), [First Baptist of Dallas](http://www.firstdallas.org/icampus/blog/did-jesus-condemn-homosexuality/) and [The Billy Graham Evangelical Organization](https://billygraham.org/answer/does-the-bible-approve-of-some-homosexual-relationships/)-say that Jesus does indeed condemn homosexuality. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/193 "2019-06-18T20:13:34Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Three religious groups that hold some sway-[Focus On The Family](https://www.focusonthefamily.com/about/focus-findings/sexuality/10-things-everyone-should-know-about-a-christian-view-of-homosexuality), [First Baptist of Dallas](http://www.firstdallas.org/icampus/blog/did-jesus-condemn-homosexuality/) and [The Billy Graham Evangelical Organization](https://billygraham.org/answer/does-the-bible-approve-of-some-homosexual-relationships/)-say that Jesus does indeed condemn homosexuality. You can find a religious or political group for any extremist view. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/194 "2019-06-18T20:20:08Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You can find a religious or political group for any extremist view. That is true…but how many influential Christian groups have to hold this position before it stops being an extremist view and begins to be the norm? ---
**Author:** ![Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/46a35a/32.png) [@Tim\_T-Bonham.net](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tim_T-Bonham.net)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2019, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/195 "2019-06-18T20:26:45Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > BTW, I thought it was obvious that my supposed Jesus quote: > > wasn’t real-I gather from responses in this thread and a couple of PMs that there are still people out there that haven’t heard Stephen Still’s “Love The One Your With”. But Mr. Stills knew how to spell “you’re”. Czarcasm, if you would just get down on your knees and sincerely pray to him, God would surely inspire you with the knowledge of spelling, grammar, & diction. (Assuming He wasn’t too busy smiting adulterers, idolaters, sabbath-breakers, shellfish-eaters, tattoo-wearers, and gays.) 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/196 "2019-06-19T15:53:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > If that’s the case, shouldn’t celibacy be as big a sin as homosexuality? No. Celibacy is to be celebrated, chastity to be precise. Anything that distracts a person from contemplation of and devotion to the Almighty is, by definition, bad. Recognizing that people are gonna fuck he gave sex within marriage, between a man and a woman, as the slightly lesser of two evils. Remember that in it’s conception and early incarnation Christianity was explicitly apocalyptic. God’s kingdom would be established on Earth in the immediate (50 or so years) future. He would not have considered the procreative requirements that sex fulfills because he sincerely believed that there would be no need for it. I dislike Paul and ignore him entirely in my own personal theology. As for Jesus, given what he is reputed to have said, I would guess that he would treat the individual with acceptance and compassion. I think he would suggest that they amend their ways and, if they didn’t, I think he would grieve for their coming damnation. I would like to think that Jesus would have been more 21st century enlightened than 1st century enlightened but what are you gonna do? You live in the age you are born to. 21st century Jesus, I’m sure, would see that love, even expressed physically, between two people is not something to be condemned. ---
**Author:** ![Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/4af34b/32.png) [@Zeke\_N.Destroi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zeke_N.Destroi)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146/197 "2019-06-19T16:04:39Z")
> [@ISiddiqui](#): > > I am a Christian. I am a Lutheran. I believe I may know the answer (though indicating one knows the will of God completely is somewhat presumptuous). I believe what were see in Acts 10 is not just about food but about people. Do not call anything unclean that the Lord has made clean and then Peter was told to go eat with a Gentile Centurion - unclean. The folks in Jerusalem were scandalized - but after the story was told they accepted it. LGBTQ people are made clean by God. They don’t have sex with the same gender due to excessive lust (as was thought by then) but because they were created that way. Jesus would love then and stand by them as he did with other marginalized. > > God sent the Holy Spirit for just this reason - to continue to educate us about God when we are ready to hear the Truth. > > So that’s the answer I think I know as a practicing Christian. What’s yours? > > Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk Adam and Eve were naked in the garden of Eden but it didn’t bother them because they were innocent. Once they ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil they became ashamed of their nakedness. Their bodies were the source of their first shame - not disobeying and stealing from God. Since one is seldom ashamed of the good one must conclude that the human body as created by God only retains “goodness” when it is in His present grace. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wwjd-re-gay-people/834146.md?page=9)