# Wyoming caucus **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [April 9, 2016, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wyoming-caucus/751671 "2016-04-09T16:51:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 6\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wyoming-caucus/751671/41 "2016-04-12T02:21:30Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > If your point is simply that having the backing of establishment…gives you the backing of the establishment, then that’s pretty uncontroversial. It does indeed mean you’ll have establishment surrogates and might mean better access to local party resources. But your first post suggested that the large number of absentee ballots at the caucus meant that it [l]ooks like the Wyoming Dem Party earned the money earmarked for them by the Hillary Victory Fund donors." And here you refer to “hinky stuff.” So while you decline to “make specific claims about Wyoming,” it sure seems like your innuendo-to-fact ratio is a little miscalibrated. > > FWIW, I have lived in red states and blue machine cities. I would much rather run as an outsider in Wyoming than Philadelphia. I think you’re probably wrong to think the corruption in one-party cities applies to red state democratic establishments. Incidentally, has Kenney endorsed anyone? Kenney has endorsed HRC. No surprise. I didn’t want to speak specifically to anything in Wyoming at the time I posted, but at the same time I didn’t want to rule it out, based on some of the reports coming in. I know from experience in “blue machine states” that it’s fairly easy to play games with absentee ballots. I don’t know if the high percentages of surrogate votes reported in Wyoming are outside the norm there, so I’ll wait to see if more info comes out. I admit my perception could be skewed by living and working in some of the most corrupt places where the Dems hold sway. I’m happy to hear there are places where Dems hold to higher standards. ---
**Author:** ![camille](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/22d042/32.png) [@camille](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/camille)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2016, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wyoming-caucus/751671/42 "2016-04-12T19:14:37Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > FWIW, I have lived in red states and blue machine cities. I would much rather run as an outsider in Wyoming than Philadelphia. I think you’re probably wrong to think the corruption in one-party cities applies to red state democratic establishments. Colorado is not a one party state, right? [Denver Post uncovers that Democratic Party told Hillary Clinton’s campaign about caucus counting mistake, but kept public and Bernie Sanders camp in the dark](http://www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29755029/colorado-democrats-admit-mistake-that-cost-bernie-sanders) The error — first uncovered by The Denver Post — was shared with rival Hillary Clinton’s campaign by party officials but kept from Sanders until the Post told his staff Monday night. The mistake is a minor shift with major implications. The new projection now shows the Vermont senator winning 39 delegates in Colorado, compared to 27 for Clinton. Of course, mistakes happen, human error, blah, blah, blah, but this kind of thing doesn’t exactly inspire trust. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wyoming-caucus/751671/43 "2016-04-13T03:03:56Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > It’s a little surprising that Bernie didn’t win Cheyenne or Casper, isn’t it? Why? Those are prime Clinton towns. Were you thinking [Laramie](http://www.uwyo.edu/)? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wyoming-caucus/751671/44 "2016-04-13T12:08:17Z")
camille: I’m not sure the party correcting a mistake on its own accord in order to give Sanders more delegates is the killer example you’re searching for. > [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > Why? Those are prime Clinton towns. Were you thinking [Laramie](http://www.uwyo.edu/)? No, my point was that they are **towns**. With colleges (albeit smaller ones). ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wyoming-caucus/751671/45 "2016-04-13T15:27:52Z")
> [@Richard\_Parker](#): > > No, my point was that they are **towns**. With colleges (albeit smaller ones). The student population of those schools is less than 10% of Cheyenne or Casper’s population. They are just small community colleges whereas the number od students at UWyo are 40% of Laramie’s residents. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2016, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wyoming-caucus/751671/46 "2016-04-13T16:20:16Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > The student population of those schools is less than 10% of Cheyenne or Casper’s population. They are just small community colleges whereas the number od students at UWyo are 40% of Laramie’s residents. Is that right? I had remembered it as higher, but it’s been a couple decades. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/wyoming-caucus/751671.md?page=2)