# X-Men 2!! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [February 22, 2003, 7:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745 "2003-02-22T07:52:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/41 "2003-02-24T06:06:32Z")
What I found interesting was that we know from the first movie that Senator Kelly has been replaced by Mystique, and Kelly is giving information about the school in the trailer. Obviously, Magneto is willing to sacrifice a few mutants in order to clear away the group most likely able to stop him from doing things his way. And if bringing pressure on Xavier’s students causes them to see humans from his point of view, all the better… ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/42 "2003-02-24T06:27:33Z")
Damn… still no Gambit in this one… oh well, hoping for his entrance in X3. ---
**Author:** ![ISiddiqui](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/97f17d/32.png) [@ISiddiqui](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ISiddiqui)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/43 "2003-02-24T06:29:29Z")
Oh, and I believe that SABERTOOTH is still alive. Remember at the end of X-Men where the news report (which shows that Kelly is Mystique) says that Kelly’s aide looked like he was ‘mauled by a bear’? Sounds like Sabertooth to me. ---
**Author:** ![Fibber\_McGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a6a055/32.png) [@Fibber\_McGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fibber_McGee)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/44 "2003-02-24T06:33:53Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ISiddiqui \* > \*\*Oh, and I believe that SABERTOOTH is still alive. Remember at the end of X-Men where the news report (which shows that Kelly is Mystique) says that Kelly’s aide looked like he was ‘mauled by a bear’? Sounds like Sabertooth to me. \*\* Er . . . Mystique was posing as Gyrich in the beginning of the movie, so I think it’s safe to say he was already dead at that point. ---
**Author:** ![Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/45 "2003-02-24T06:43:05Z")
**Leaper** : While I realize the inherent silliness in the subject at hand, **and** the fact that we’re talking about a two or three minute trailer… [sub] **And** the fact that hollywood blockbuster trailers fairly often contain scenes not actually **in** the theatrical release…[/sub] I think you’re leaping to the wrong conclusion there. (Sorry, I know, but I couldn’t stop m’self.) The line of dialogue right before that is the Stryker (reverend, general?) character. He says “training center for mutants,” and Kelly/Mystique responds, “…it’s a school.” Meaning, I think, “It’s not a terrorist training camp, you putz, it’s only a private high school!” It comes across like the two (Stryker and Kelly) are having a meeting with the president, argueing opposite sides of the debate. And on my fourth viewing (well, in my defense, I was showing the thing to the third person I told about it, not just watching the thing over and over all by my fanboy self) I spotted two mildly spoilerific bits: [spoiler]1) There’s a quick shot of Logan laying a liplock on Jean, indicating the “love triangle” sub-plot is sticking around. 1. The shot where Jean is reading Nightcrawler’s mind. In the background, on the right, are Logan and Ororo, and, on the left, are Magneto and Mystique. So the team-up’s pretty much a given, too.[/spoiler] ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/46 "2003-02-24T07:35:16Z")
**Skeezix** : Hmm. You may be right. It still strikes me as possibly rather convenient for Magneto’s plans. After all, he was willing to sacrifice Rogue during his last plot, and he may very well believe that once Stryker puts the X-Men out of the way, he can easily use Kelly/Mystique to put Stryker back down again… I guess we’ll see. BTW, **Skeezix** , you don’t happen to have a stepbrother who works with Stephen King on a semi-regular basis, do you? If you do, then I actually know you… ---
**Author:** ![Gozu\_Tashoya](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/7993a0/32.png) [@Gozu\_Tashoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu_Tashoya)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 8:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/47 "2003-02-24T08:11:40Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Dewey Cheatem Undhow \* > \*\*No, I think that’s the same addy I linked to above. Doesn’t work (I used Teleport Pro to try to get it). Downloading it just nets you a ~1kb file that tells Quicktime viewer to go fetch the rest off the web. \*\* I dunno, I have a ~22 MB file sitting on my desktop that says different. 😃 (Hint: **m** 480. It’s all about the “m” with these QT trailers.) That being said, **mblackwell** ’s link is probably a whole lot easier. [Darkhorizons.net](http://Darkhorizons.net) (or something like that) is a good site too. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/48 "2003-02-24T08:29:43Z")
Can someone who reads the X-men comics answer something for me? I used to read one now and then, but not often. I remember several years ago reading a few issues involving Mystique and… Possible major spoiler she turned out to be the mother of one of the good guys. But I can’t remember who! I want to say Nightcrawler was her son, but that may be way off base. Maybe it was someone younger. Does anybody know what I’m talking about and whose mother she is? I would greatly appreciate any info on this, in a spoiler box. ---
**Author:** ![Fibber\_McGee](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a6a055/32.png) [@Fibber\_McGee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fibber_McGee)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 8:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/49 "2003-02-24T08:36:54Z")
Tangent, you are correct. ---
**Author:** ![Tangent](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tangent/32/3098_2.png) [@Tangent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tangent)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 8:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/50 "2003-02-24T08:42:26Z")
Cool. Thanks, Fibber. ---
**Author:** ![New\_Improved\_Scott](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f17d59/32.png) [@New\_Improved\_Scott](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/New_Improved_Scott)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 9:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/51 "2003-02-24T09:17:08Z")
Some other Fun Facts about Mystique: [spoiler]She is really old. She has been around and fully matured since the second world war. She had a child, Graydon Creed, with Sabretooth. This happened before Sabretooth was forcebly taken into the Team X project. There are rumours surrounding her possible lesbianism. She had a close, but undefined relationship with Irene Adler, aka Destiny, for may years. She is also Rogue’s foster mother. In the comics, when Rogue had her disaterous first kiss, she was living with Mystique and Destiny. And she is indeed Kurt’s mother, he was fathered by a german count who didn’t know she was a mutant, but Kurt’s birth shattered her illusion and she had to run away. She abandoned him, and he eventually ended up with the circus.[/spoiler] A good note on her family tree/relations can be found here: [http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=8&fldAuto=72](http://www.uncannyxmen.net/db/article/showquestion.asp?faq=8&fldAuto=72) ---
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [February 24, 2003, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/52 "2003-02-24T13:39:53Z")
I thought she’d had something to do with Rogue (in the comics for the spoiler wary). ---
**Author:** ![Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 6:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/53 "2003-02-25T06:56:40Z")
[Complete and Utter Highjack] **Leaper** : No step-brothers, and no connection to King. Can I ask just what prompted that connection to you? I’m insanely curious, now. [/Complete and Utter Highjack] [sub]I’d have taken this to email, but yours isn’t public. If it’s something you’d prefer not to discuss in public, feel free to drop me a line.[/sub] We now return you to your regularly scheduled mutant discourse, already in progress. ---
**Author:** ![Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2003, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/54 "2003-02-25T06:59:45Z")
Hi **gh** jack? Yeesh, I must need more sleep than I’ve been getting. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/55 "2003-03-27T07:06:07Z")
Sorry to resurrect this thread, but I had to answer **Skeezix** : It’s just an identical nick. That’s all. 🙂 To get back to the topic, I see the novelization and comic adaptation are out. Flipped very quickly through the comic. Looks WAY too short, not to mention sucky. Still looking forward! ---
**Author:** ![Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 7:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/56 "2003-03-27T07:35:37Z")
Ooh, look, just like a Marvel character, it’s back from the dead! **Leaper** , was the comic a complete adaptation, the first in a series, or a “prequel?” I recall when the first flick came out, there were comics available (actually, we got ours at the ticket booth, with the price of admission) that set up the backstory of the characters. It was… less than top shelf stuff. In fact, it dragged in the Silver Samurai, a character never even hinted at in the movie. I also recall that, many moons ago, when Marvel released a movie adaptation, it was often done as a two or three part mini-series. Could that be why the book you saw was so short? [sub]Weird, that, about the screen name.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Gorgon\_Heap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@Gorgon\_Heap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gorgon_Heap)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/57 "2003-03-27T13:48:01Z")
What are you people talking about no “BAMF”!? There is _too_ a BAMF! I listened very carefully during the wild-neat-o trailer and when Nightcrawler leaps into the air doing a circle-kick to a bunch of guys he BAMFs out of there. It was NEAT NEAT NEAT!!! ---
**Author:** ![shy\_guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a6a055/32.png) [@shy\_guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shy_guy)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/58 "2003-03-27T16:29:49Z")
> [@](#): > > To get back to the topic, I see the novelization and comic adaptation are out. Flipped very quickly through the comic. Looks WAY too short, not to mention sucky. I think that’s just a fault of recent Marvel adaptations. Whatever your opinions of the Daredevil movie, the comic adaptation was one of the worst things I’ve read in a long time. ---
**Author:** ![dalovindj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/65b543/32.png) [@dalovindj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dalovindj)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/59 "2003-03-27T18:15:18Z")
My favorite was the cops advancing on the mutants and the teen looking kid saying “You know all those awful and dangerous mutants you here about on the news?” :cops look at each other nervously: “Well I’m the worst one. . .” Followed by the kid fireballing a couple cops and their cars and a flash to Picard commenting about the kids showing off. Awesome. Who was that kid supposed to be? DaLovin’ Dj ---
**Author:** ![bouv](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bc8723/32.png) [@bouv](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bouv)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2003, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745/60 "2003-03-27T19:44:59Z")
I’m concerned about that cat licking Wolverine’s claws at the end of the trialer. Aren’t is claws so sharp that the poor kitty’s tongue would be gone? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-2/156745.md?page=4)