# X-Men: Days of Future Past (spoilers included) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2014, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079 "2014-05-23T11:12:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/181 "2014-06-06T18:00:21Z")
That was because she was allergic to the paint. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/182 "2014-06-06T18:10:16Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Well, that still means she hasn’t ever done it, just been told about it. > I’m not sure there’s a “waking up” - just a “you get sent into the past permanently”. But then, Wolverine seems to have woken up well before the timeframe of the “future” in movie, but well after the “past” in the movie. I dunno - it’s a little sloppy, but I can overlook it. The way it seems to work is that your consciousness gets sent to the past for as long as Kitty Pryde does her thing. Once she stops, you go back to the future, which may or may not be changed. We don’t really know when the future is in this movie. It might be just be our current time, and that’s where Wolverine went back to. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/183 "2014-06-06T19:18:27Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > How many people realize the fan service has been greatly reduced in this movie? Jennifer Lawrence was wearing a full bodysuit in this movie. In previous movies, Lawrence and Rebecca Romijn’s costume was a combination of a partial bodysuit with paint. I had read an article on that, and frankly it didn’t affect my enjoyment in the slightest. To my inner 14-year-old boy, she looks just as naked, no how matter how much more of her is actually covered. ---
**Author:** ![AHarris](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bcef8e/32.png) [@AHarris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHarris)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2014, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/184 "2014-06-06T23:25:43Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > There was also the ongoing focus of Trask’s murder as a historical pivot. Okay, we know that if Mystique had killed him in Paris it would have led to the dystopia we saw. But even after they had prevented that event, everyone was still focused on sole task of keeping Trask alive - as if his death was the only possible path that led to the bad future. Once Mystique decided not to kill him in Washington, everything was resolved. Nobody was apparently worried that mutants attacking Washington might have triggered the same anti-mutant campaign (or an even worse one). The reason about going back in time was more about stopping the sentinel program from getting started (or at least getting the Mystique inspired upgrades). The saving Mystique thing was more of a bonus goal added by Professor X. Past Professor X and Magneto just went about it in different ways. Professor X wanted to do it by stopping the murder that caused the program to get funding (and hopefully helping Mystique in the process) and Magneto (past at least) wanted to discredit the sentinel program and start the human/mutant war before the sentinels were upgraded to be virtually immune to mutant powers. Magneto didn’t say anything in the future arc to counter Professor X’s plan either because he trusted his past self to act appropriately and didn’t want to screw things up or he’d gotten over the whole war between humans and mutants thing. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > Maybe we only saw her using her power in those extreme situations where she was intentionally trying to rewrite history. Perhaps there were other occasions when she used her power for more trivial reasons that didn’t rewrite history (“I’m going to send your mind back into the past so you can see where I left my car keys.”) and she remembers those times. The opening sequence seemed to imply that she was aware that Cable had had time to warn the team. > [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > The way it seems to work is that your consciousness gets sent to the past for as long as Kitty Pryde does her thing. Once she stops, you go back to the future, which may or may not be changed. We don’t really know when the future is in this movie. It might be just be our current time, and that’s where Wolverine went back to. Based on the sequence at the end the future arc was in the 2040’s. Professor X mentioned that Wolverine had 70 years to catch up on. Also, if I recall correctly, the date on Wolverine’s clock was in that decade. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2014, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/185 "2014-06-07T02:36:54Z")
> [@DZedNConfused](#): > > Am I the only who thought when Nixon ran out of the bunker, “That CAN’T be the Prez because NO way would Tricky Dick leap in front of a “gun” to save someone else!”? Nixon was a crook and a liar, but I never thought of him as a coward. > [@DigitalC](#): > > That was because she was allergic to the paint. Just like Buddy Ebsen. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/186 "2014-06-13T13:17:14Z")
> [@Munch](#): > > Right, and in that new timeline, Kitty would never need to send anyone back. The only way it’d work is if Kitty went back with the person, so that her memories of sending someone would remain. But that’s not the way they did it, obviously. I know I’m late to the party, but the movie explains this. Kitty knows that if she sends someone too far back in time, it can shred their mind. That’s why they had to send wolverine back. Presumably, she’s shredded a few minds figuring that out by accident, and can remember doing that because the timeline wasn’t altered. The plot hole that bothered me is that Magneto shreds a railway to allow him to control the sentinels… any nobody notices. “Hmm, this rail line that carried something from the trask factory to the white house is mysteriously destroyed, as if by that mutant that can control metal who was busted out of solitary a few days ago. Oh well, I’m not paid enough to report this.” ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2014, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/187 "2014-06-13T22:13:27Z")
> [@yellowjacketcoder](#): > > The plot hole that bothered me is that Magneto shreds a railway to allow him to control the sentinels… any nobody notices. “Hmm, this rail line that carried something from the trask factory to the white house is mysteriously destroyed, as if by that mutant that can control metal who was busted out of solitary a few days ago. Oh well, I’m not paid enough to report this.” Not really a plot hole. I’m sure it was noticed the next time that a train took that rail and crashed… but who is going to be connecting all those dots? ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/188 "2014-06-16T06:44:44Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > As much as the _real_ reason for all of this is fanservice, in-universe it is practical for the character. She could have an outfit to wear when not morphed into anyone else, but she’d have to keep changing into and out of it and find some way to carry it around while she’s disguised as someone else. Once again, I’m not saying she has to wear actual clothes, and then carry them around. I’m saying she morphs her body to look like it has clothes on in blue form. But like I said, maybe that’s why she has scales and smooth surfaces where she should have openings. That’s as close to convention as she has to get to be self-modest? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 11:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/189 "2014-06-16T11:14:53Z")
> [@Irishman](#): > > Once again, I’m not saying she has to wear actual clothes, and then carry them around. I’m saying she morphs her body to look like it has clothes on in blue form. Canonically, if she’s using half her concentration to get that look, then she’s only half paying attention to whatever else she’s doing. ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 12:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/190 "2014-06-16T12:20:45Z")
> [@Push\_You\_Down](#): > > Not really a plot hole. I’m sure it was noticed the next time that a train took that rail and crashed… but who is going to be connecting all those dots? A rail-line that goes from the mutant-killing robot factory to the white house is going to have people going “gee, Bob, why do you think this line got busted right after we shipped those Sentinels out?” I don’t think it was a generic rail line somewhere in the country, I think that was the specific railroad going to the Trask Industry production facility and nowhere else (since Magneto was in the factory right before jumping on the train). A throwaway line of “this is the last train out of the facility for the week” would have satisfied me, since that means no other trains would be going over that section of rail. > [@Irishman](#): > > Once again, I’m not saying she has to wear actual clothes, and then carry them around. I’m saying she morphs her body to look like it has clothes on in blue form. > > But like I said, maybe that’s why she has scales and smooth surfaces where she should have openings. That’s as close to convention as she has to get to be self-modest? > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Canonically, if she’s using half her concentration to get that look, then she’s only half paying attention to whatever else she’s doing. While it’s true that she needs to concentrate to maintain anything other than her blue form minus clothes, I think at least part of the reason she walks around in the blue form in the nude is that she wants people to accept her for what she is, and she’s not willing to cover anything up just for society’s acceptance. Similar to how some women walk around topless almost demanding someone challenge them, or some gay men wear the leather speedo to the gay pride parade - they want to be accepted and are willing to be in your face to do it. I do wonder what she does when it’s chilly out, because presumably if she morphed a coat she’d still feel cold, since the coat is really just her outer layer of skin. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/191 "2014-06-16T13:43:02Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Canonically, if she’s using half her concentration to get that look, then she’s only half paying attention to whatever else she’s doing. The clip from the previous X-Men movie that establishes this [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7_mxkZfbe1o#t=40). [QUOTE=yellowjacketcoder] While it’s true that she needs to concentrate to maintain anything other than her blue form minus clothes, I think at least part of the reason she walks around in the blue form in the nude is that she wants people to accept her for what she is, and she’s not willing to cover anything up just for society’s acceptance. Similar to how some women walk around topless almost demanding someone challenge them, or some gay men wear the leather speedo to the gay pride parade - they want to be accepted and are willing to be in your face to do it. [/QUOTE] That was more her established motivation in the very first movie. I don’t recall the specific clip, but someone mentioned to her that she could use her power to look normal, and she said that she doesn’t because she shouldn’t have to. ---
**Author:** ![Osiris\_the\_1st](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9de0a6/32.png) [@Osiris\_the\_1st](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osiris_the_1st)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/192 "2014-06-16T14:03:25Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Re: the Xavier stuff: At the end of X3, there’s a scene where the guy in the coma wakes up and says “Hello, Moira” in Patrick Stewart’s voice. Then Xavier shows up (still looking like Patrick Stewart) at the end of The Wolverine. Basically, the idea is that in X3, Xavier transferred his consciousness into the body of the guy in the coma with no brain activity. Bryan Singer said in an interview somewhere that the guy in the coma… happened to be Xavier’s twin brother. (Apparently they left it up in the air so if Patrick Stewart didn’t come back for future movies, they could explain having another actor). My theory: Professor X is a very powerful telepath. As such he is simply projecting, whether conciously or not, his own image of himself over the body that he now inhabits. My question: If that’s a new body, why is he still in the chair? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/193 "2014-06-16T14:18:04Z")
Probably from whatever accident put his new body in a coma to begin with? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/194 "2014-06-16T14:28:42Z")
We saw it yesterday. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I am getting tired of it being All Wolverine, All The Time. That for me was part of why the Quicksilver sequences were so fresh - for a while at least I didn’t have to hear about his claws and how painful his life is, again. I thought they did a good job of handling the paradoxes of time travel, although obviously you can pick holes in any such plot. Better handled than most such reboots. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/195 "2014-06-16T14:35:12Z")
> [@Osiris\_the\_1st](#): > > My theory: Professor X is a very powerful telepath. As such he is simply projecting, whether conciously or not, his own image of himself over the body that he now inhabits. My question: If that’s a new body, why is he still in the chair? Magneto: What the fuck, Charles? Get up and get yourself a beer! And what’s up with the new body? ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2014, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/196 "2014-06-16T16:40:23Z")
> [@Osiris\_the\_1st](#): > > My theory: Professor X is a very powerful telepath. As such he is simply projecting, whether conciously or not, his own image of himself over the body that he now inhabits. My theory is that in the X-Men universe, their version of Patrick Stewart got into a car accident in Scotland and was left in a persistent vegetative state. Before he died, Professor X transferred his consciousness into Patrick Stewart’s body, thus transition from being a character played by Patrick Stewart, to actually possessing Patrick Stewart. ---
**Author:** ![zamboniracer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e9a140/32.png) [@zamboniracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zamboniracer)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/197 "2014-06-21T15:28:51Z")
I’m really late to the party, having just seen the movie last night. I also didn’t follow the comics or see all of the movies, so I wasn’t sure who all of the characters were, but the only thing I want to know is: why did Magneto need RFK Stadium? Was it just a concrete shield? Did he not like the Redskins’ name either? What’s the story? Sidenote: my favorite little throwaway bit was Logan/Wolverine inadvertently puncturing the waterbed. ---
**Author:** ![DZedNConfused](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dzednconfused/32/15991_2.png) [@DZedNConfused](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DZedNConfused)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2014, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/198 "2014-06-21T15:37:54Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I’m really late to the party, having just seen the movie last night. I also didn’t follow the comics or see all of the movies, so I wasn’t sure who all of the characters were, but the only thing I want to know is: why did Magneto need RFK Stadium? Was it just a concrete shield? Did he not like the Redskins’ name either? What’s the story? I think he was just grandstanding. _rimshot_ ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/199 "2014-06-22T01:24:37Z")
> [@zamboniracer](#): > > I’m really late to the party, having just seen the movie last night. I also didn’t follow the comics or see all of the movies, so I wasn’t sure who all of the characters were, but the only thing I want to know is: why did Magneto need RFK Stadium? Was it just a concrete shield? Did he not like the Redskins’ name either? What’s the story? Dropping the stadium around the White House means that the President and his cabinet can’t get away, and more importantly, the cops/military can’t get in to bother Magneto as he slaughters the American leadership with their own sentinels. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_Panic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/don_t_panic/32/398_2.png) [@Don\_t\_Panic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_Panic)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2014, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/200 "2014-06-22T01:39:34Z")
> [@leahcim](#): > > My theory is that in the X-Men universe, their version of Patrick Stewart got into a car accident in Scotland and was left in a persistent vegetative state. Before he died, Professor X transferred his consciousness into Patrick Stewart’s body, thus transition from being a character played by Patrick Stewart, to actually possessing Patrick Stewart. You know, I honestly think that this makes more sense than anything else I’ve read about this movie. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079.md?page=9) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079.md?page=11)