# X-Men: Days of Future Past (spoilers included) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 23, 2014, 11:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079 "2014-05-23T11:12:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Vercingetorix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/848f3c/32.png) [@Vercingetorix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Vercingetorix)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/41 "2014-05-26T06:33:44Z")
> [@Sister\_Vigilante](#): > > She didn’t. She never did. Until now. I thought that was weird, also. If I had to guess, I would say the writers wanted to have a nod to her being _the one who went back_ during the original story. > [@](#): > > And the other guy could have been Sunspot. When I saw him, I thought Sunfire rather than Sunspot, but wiki says you’re right. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 6:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/42 "2014-05-26T06:52:10Z")
> [@Vercingetorix](#): > > I thought that was weird, also. If I had to guess, I would say the writers wanted to have a nod to her being _the one who went back_ during the original story. Also, Ellen Page is a fairly respected actress these days. There’s no harm in expanding her role. ---
**Author:** ![Ibn\_Warraq](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/e19b73/32.png) [@Ibn\_Warraq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ibn_Warraq)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/43 "2014-05-26T06:59:53Z")
I’m curious if in the next movie they give more information as to who killed Kennedy because he was a mutant and why? Is it the Hellfire Club, Apocalypse, something or someone else? ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 7:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/44 "2014-05-26T07:24:11Z")
> [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > I’m curious if in the next movie they give more information as to who killed Kennedy because he was a mutant and why? They didn’t say that Kennedy was killed because he was a mutant, they said that Magneto tried to save him because he was a mutant. Not the same thing. Personally, I think it was just a throwaway line, and they won’t refer to it again. ---
**Author:** ![amanset](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@amanset](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amanset)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 8:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/45 "2014-05-26T08:38:01Z")
> [@Vercingetorix](#): > > I thought that was weird, also. If I had to guess, I would say the writers wanted to have a nod to her being _the one who went back_ during the original story. Apparently part of the issue with using Kitty was the timeframe. In the 1970s she wouldn’t have been born, so she’d have no younger version of herself to go back to. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/46 "2014-05-26T13:57:48Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > They didn’t say that Kennedy was killed because he was a mutant, they said that Magneto tried to save him because he was a mutant. Not the same thing. > > Personally, I think it was just a throwaway line, and they won’t refer to it again. A little more than a throw away line. They used it in the marketing as seen [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByCY2UYLHG8). Note this video was posted 6 months ago. But I agree it probably won’t be revisited. I wonder if the next movie will take place in the 70s still or shift to the 80s? Something else, was this the first big budget Marvel movie to not have Stan Lee? Or did I just miss his cameo? ---
**Author:** ![MrKnowItAll](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrknowitall/32/87_2.png) [@MrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/47 "2014-05-26T14:33:10Z")
I really enjoyed this film. Probably the best X-Men film to date, IMHO. Some points… I was really distracted with the whole Kitty Pryde time travel thing. I mean, yeah they had to have some way to do it, but I would think it would make more sense to create a whole new character than to tack-on a new power on a character that everyone already knows what her powers are. I like the inclusion of Sunspot in this film. Unless I’m mistaken, I think he’s the first New Mutant that we’ve seen in full action. For years, I have claimed that The Flash is the most powerful character in DC comics. The use of Quicksilver in this film I think confirms that. Quicksilver isn’t anywhere near as fast as the Flash, and we still got to see how formidable a speedster can be. I thought they handled him very well, although a bit off of the personality he shows in the comics. To see how the world looks to a speedster was a great way of demonstrating his abilities. Easily the most fun sequence in the whole film. I, too, was surprised that they didn’t bring him along, but that’s the trouble with writing for a powerful speedster character. You have to figure out ways to keep him out of the action in situations where he could single-handedly win the fight. Fashion point: What’s with Jean’s hair? Yeah, I know she’s supposed to be a red-head, but I think they could have at least _tried_ to make it look natural. _sigh_ Wolverine’s bone claws. I think in the comic, the claws are not merely bones. They are very dense and can take a lot of punishment. Obviously not as much as the adamantium ones do, but still very, very durable. According to the Marvel Wiki, they are tough enough to slice through wood, stone, and metal. ---
**Author:** ![Lasciel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e79b87/32.png) [@Lasciel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lasciel)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/48 "2014-05-26T21:15:26Z")
Stan Lee does not have a cameo in this one. I saw a janitor/jumpsuited support-staff type person that I thought was him at the Pentagon, but it wasn’t. The Kitty magic timetravel secret powers thing was weird. Also I feel bad for Logan - he’s all psychologically fucked over by xmen 1-3 and his own two movies - but now none of that happened and he’s the only one to remember them, AND he still doesn’t end up with Jean. Poor bastard. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2014, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/49 "2014-05-26T21:18:30Z")
> [@Lasciel](#): > > Stan Lee does not have a cameo in this one. I saw a janitor/jumpsuited support-staff type person that I thought was him at the Pentagon, but it wasn’t. But Chris Claremont DOES have a cameo as a Senator, which is beyond cool. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/50 "2014-05-27T02:43:17Z")
What powers did the native american mutant from the future have? ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/51 "2014-05-27T02:55:54Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > What powers did the native american mutant from the future have? If you’re talking about the character I think you are, I think his powers were related to the Tattoos he wore. ---
**Author:** ![MrKnowItAll](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrknowitall/32/87_2.png) [@MrKnowItAll](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrKnowItAll)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/52 "2014-05-27T03:10:34Z")
That was Warpath, aka James Proudstar. Standard pool of superhuman abilities (strength, speed, agility, yadda yadda yadda) plus very acute senses. They should have just called him Super Chief and be done with it. ---
**Author:** ![Stonebow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ed8c4c/32.png) [@Stonebow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stonebow)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/53 "2014-05-27T03:13:19Z")
I think he is referring to Warpath, the gentleman with the dark streak across his eyes. Superhuman strength, agility, resilience. Plus, super-senses (eagle-eye sight). Also, the twin Vibranium knives he carries will ruin your day. He was a member of the Emma Frost’s Hellions, Cable’s X-Force, then became part of Cyclops’ black ops X-Force team. His brother, Thunderbird, was a member of the new X-Men lineup that brought us Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, and Nightcrawler. ---
**Author:** ![Push\_You\_Down](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/push_you_down/32/9095_2.png) [@Push\_You\_Down](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Push_You_Down)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/54 "2014-05-27T03:56:52Z")
I think Kitty’s mumbo jumbo time travel powers work as the omega-level version of her powers. She phases herself and anyone/thing she touches out of sink with matter-- extrapolate that out to being able to move out of phase with time it works in comic theory. I think it would have worked better had there been a telepath guiding it- in the comics it was Rachel right? They should have had her in this movie or had the Professor come up with the plan outright instead of it being explained to him. One element of the movie that seemed like it must have just been a hold-over from earlier drafts of the script was the Vietnam mutants. I really liked the idea of the government “drafting” mutants into the war… and we got to see none of that. They all went home and then we saw some of them during Magnetos speech (as well as an elderly Ink in the camps at the begining). I think everyone agrees that Quicksilver was the brightest spot of the movie which is incredibly interesting. It raises the bar for Whedon and Co for their version of Pietro. The only thing I didn’t like were his terrible dye job and clothes. I thought for sure he’d show up in DC for the final battle and Magneto would be hesitant to do any permanent damage to him. ---
**Author:** ![Rick\_Kitchen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rick_kitchen/32/522_2.png) [@Rick\_Kitchen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick_Kitchen)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/55 "2014-05-27T05:13:16Z")
That was Warpath. He has super strength and super speed. Although he’s supposed to be seven feet tall. The actor playing Warpath is Booboo Stewart, he was one of the werewolves in the Twilight series, and I just went to look him up on imdb and he has _fifteen_ upcoming movies. ---
**Author:** ![magnusblitz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@magnusblitz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magnusblitz)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/56 "2014-05-27T06:27:23Z")
Re: the Xavier stuff: At the end of X3, there’s a scene where the guy in the coma wakes up and says “Hello, Moira” in Patrick Stewart’s voice. Then Xavier shows up (still looking like Patrick Stewart) at the end of The Wolverine. Basically, the idea is that in X3, Xavier transferred his consciousness into the body of the guy in the coma with no brain activity. Bryan Singer said in an interview somewhere that the guy in the coma… happened to be Xavier’s twin brother. (Apparently they left it up in the air so if Patrick Stewart didn’t come back for future movies, they could explain having another actor). Overall, I liked it - very much a First Class sequel. More drama than action (only Magneto really get to stretch his powers in the past, well, and Quicksilver) but that’s fine. Dinklage seemed a bit wasted in the role - he didn’t do badly, but I think almost anyone could’ve done the same part and had the same impact (I am very glad nothing is raised about his dwarfism). Sure is nice that they hit the cosmic reset button on X3 and undid all the terrible character deaths. Glad to have Cyclops back. I admit that I don’t really like most of the old trilogy cast … but apparently the next movie will be set in the 80s so they can still keep McAvoy/Fassbender/Lawrence, so they can recast younger guys for Cyclops, Jean and Ororo. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/57 "2014-05-27T07:46:59Z")
> [@magnusblitz](#): > > Dinklage seemed a bit wasted in the role - he didn’t do badly, but I think almost anyone could’ve done the same part and had the same impact (I am very glad nothing is raised about his dwarfism). > [@Arrogance\_Ex\_Machina](#): > > One thing I loved about him in this movie was that as far as I noticed, nobody ever mentioned his height at any point. He can play pretty much any role and if his height doesn’t factor into the character or interactions with other characters, if it has no bearing on the plot, there’s no reason to address it at all. I actually thought it _could_ have been addressed in this movie- not that leaving it unaddressed caused any kind of elephant in the room kind of feeling. This character is vehemently anti-mutant and yet he has achondroplasia, which is a mutation. A need to prove himself “not one of them”, personal insecurity, early age self-loathing, any of this could have gone into his personal background as an explanation for why he has to present himself as being so anti-mutant. But, again, it’s not like I was sitting in the theater distracted by the anticipation of “when are they going to address it!?!?!?!?” Addressing it was entirely unnecessary, but it could have been brought up with a specific connection to the story. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/58 "2014-05-27T14:32:36Z")
I really enjoyed the movie. Everyone was great in it. I was a little lost in the future scenes, since I didn’t know who those characters were or what powers they had, but I picked things up. > [@bienville](#): > > According to Wiki, the same actor is signed to play Quicksilver in the next X-Men movie too (and at the end of _Days of Future Past_ he’s shown to have a little sister). I thought it was absolutely prohibited for both this franchise and the Avengers franchise to use any of the same characters (yes, I realize they’re technically not mutants in the Avengers movies.) It seems that both movies independently decided to use Quicksilver, and negotiated that it would be okay. And in The Avengers, they can’t say mutants, or X-Men, or Magneto. > [@pricciar](#): > > Yeah. I don’t have anything for you when it comes to the first X-Men movie not having Sentinels (when they had them already in '73!) or why Professor Xavier was in his own body. I’m glad I’m not the only one confused about the Sentinels. It doesn’t ruin the movie for me, but it does make me very curious about why they were developed in the 70s, but things are only apocalyptic 50 years after that. > [@Rick\_Kitchen](#): > > I’m hoping that Mystique took Wolverine somewhere where he can get adamantium bones and claws without the pain involved from Stryker. > > Will they find Jason Stryker and help him, now that he isn’t brain wiped yet? Is there a pain-free way to get adamantium bones and claws? Seems like there’d be no easy way to do that, unless Wolverine is basically put into a coma first- whether medically of with a mutant’s help. And I don’t know if he’d choose to have it done, it seems like in this movie he did fine with his bone claws. I guess we’ll see in his next movie what his claws look like, and hopefully with a quick flashback if they are metal. > [@Ibn\_Warraq](#): > > But the one I liked was the blink and you missed it reveal about JFK. > > Logan and Xavier assume a Magneto did kill JFK, but it turns out he didn’t, but actually tried to save JFK because JFK was a mutant and “they”(never explained) stopped him. So there might be some other really powerful group out there involved in conspiracies that we may learn about in future movies. Right, the JFK thing assassination thing was strange. I had assumed it would be some other powerful mutant and/or other villain. But was it actually Lee Harvey Oswald. And they talked about a curving bullet, so that means Magneto had an effect on the bullet, does that mean that if Magneto hadn’t been there, that the bullet would have missed JFK? Maybe I’m overthinking this, but it seems strange to mention the JFK assassination as a throwaway plot point. ---
**Author:** ![Munch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/munch/32/5281_2.png) [@Munch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Munch)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/59 "2014-05-27T15:15:54Z")
> [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > Is there a pain-free way to get adamantium bones and claws? Seems like there’d be no easy way to do that, unless Wolverine is basically put into a coma first- whether medically of with a mutant’s help. And I don’t know if he’d choose to have it done, it seems like in this movie he did fine with his bone claws. I guess we’ll see in his next movie what his claws look like, and hopefully with a quick flashback if they are metal. Magneto could probably do it, but it’d still be painful. But maybe not quite “boiling alive in a vat of molten metal” painful. One thing I didn’t quite like was that lacing the sentinels with metal gave Magneto control over their circuitry as well. Seems a bit of a stretch, but I can get over it. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2014, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079/60 "2014-05-27T15:17:37Z")
We saw it on Friday and I thought it was really great. I agree that the set piece with Quicksilver was probably the best thing of the whole movie. Does Quicksilver in the comics move that fast? One other thing that I really liked is that the story actually progressed from beginning to end and wasn’t just some dialog hanging between set pieces. And with that, the action pieces weren’t just all fighting – the Quicksilver scene in particular had gunfire in it but it really wasn’t about the shooting. As much as I liked Winter Soldier, there was sooooo much gunfire in it that I can’t even think of an action scene that didn’t involve guns (except the elevator, I guess, but that led to shooting shortly thereafter). My one minor quibble is that Kitty has the ability to send people back in time. I don’t know how she got that but OK, it works I guess. It’s a comic, you don’t have to explain it. Though it could have worked where they had someone else – an actual telepath – doing it which would free up Kitty to fight the Sentinels. Maybe they wanted a good actor in that role and Ellen Page fits the bill in that regard. Psyloche, Prof X, or Emma Frost would fit better I would think. Not too big of a deal though and I just handwaved it away. One other thing that was a little goofy was Magneto casually mentioning that it’s too bad Wolvie’s claws aren’t metal. It was a funny throwaway line, but it doesn’t really hold up. He doesn’t walk up to every other mutant and mention their body parts, wishing that they’re made from metal. Finally on the nitpicking, I’m not that big of a fan of Mystique’s look but that’s the series as a whole and not just this movie. When she morphs, she shows clothing so we know she doesn’t have to run around (looking) naked. It just seems so fanboy servicey to have her running around naked with the muddy hair except you don’t see nipples, pubic hair, or her butt crack. How does she poop in her natural state? In any case, Jennifer Lawrence does a bang up job as Mystique and she looks great like that or morphed into her blond form. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x-men-days-of-future-past-spoilers-included/689079.md?page=4)