# X2- the uncanny SPOILER thread! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 2, 2003, 10:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594 "2003-05-02T10:57:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Deptford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Deptford](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deptford)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/201 "2003-05-06T17:32:08Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Realhoops \* > \*\*… isn’t it kind of like anything else that is passed down from one side of the family, like say “red hair” or something? For example, can’t red hair be carried by the father’s chromosome, but then be passed on to children of both sexes? > > Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t quite understand your confusion on this. Anything that is ever passed on from one parent can usually be passed on to children of either sex, right? \*\* Red hair is an example of Autosomal trait inheritance.The classic dominant and recessive genes that you get taught about in your school Biology classes. Hair colour is determined from the genes your parents pass to you , one gene from each. Red Hair is a recessive trait. So a real red-head has to have inherited the recessive gene from both parents. The trait itself is sex irrelevant, that is both the X and the Y chromosomes carry a gene for hair colour. Sex linked traits do occur however.Haemophilia for example. It’s caused by a recessive defect on the X chromosome which has no corresponding allele on the Y chromosome.If your a woman your other X chromosome will override the Haemophilia trait (unless you inherit another X chromosome from the other parent which is very unlikely). If your a man however, your out of luck.In fact the X Chromosome is larger than the Y Chromosome and there are a number of single gene traits found only on the X. Now what i’m complaining about was the statement that you inherit the mutant gene from the father. It can’t be carried on both the X and Y chromosomes because otherwise it would work like hair colour and the statement that the Father is responsible can’t be true. So if must it only be carried on 1 chromosome the X or the Y . If it’s on the X then both parents can pass it along to their offspring , although it does mean that if only the Father has it then only his daughters will have the mutant gene.If The Mother or both parents have it then it doesn’t matter. in any case the statement that the Father is responsible can’t be true. Which means that it has to be passed on the Y chromosome. In which case only Sons can be mutants. Now if they had said it was inherited from the mother, then that would be fine. Both sexs inherit an X chromosome , no problem.But saying the father passes along the mutant gene doesn’t make sense ---
**Author:** ![Cerri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Cerri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/202 "2003-05-06T17:40:47Z")
Did anyone else catch the two separate references to “The Once and Future King”? (Magneto was reading it when Stryker came into his cell, and Professor X was discussing it for his “class” at the end of the movie) I think this had to be referencing Jean Grey’s return as The Phoenix, I can’t imagine what else it was referencing. Also, to the person who said he didn’t buy the mind-control drug used…it was explained by Stryker that the serum was fluid secreted by his son Jason’s brain. ---
**Author:** ![Amp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Amp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amp)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/203 "2003-05-06T18:51:32Z")
OK, we have people who can shoot lasers from their eyes, people who can control the weather, fire manipulators, ice people, etc. and some of you people can’t accept the fact that the imaginary mutant gene is passed by the father because real life genetics says so? Jeez… ---
**Author:** ![MusicJunkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@MusicJunkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MusicJunkie)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/204 "2003-05-06T19:15:15Z")
Pyro might have just yanked the fathers chain. Creating confusion you know. ---
**Author:** ![MusicJunkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df788c/32.png) [@MusicJunkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MusicJunkie)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/205 "2003-05-06T19:17:43Z")
Ok, that was awful grammar. ---
**Author:** ![Rhum\_Runner](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/2bfe46/32.png) [@Rhum\_Runner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rhum_Runner)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/206 "2003-05-06T23:04:16Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by MusicJunkie \* > \*\*Pyro might have just yanked the fathers chain. Creating confusion you know. \*\* That was how I took it. It was just a comment to creap out the dad. That was all. ---
**Author:** ![Cerri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3bc359/32.png) [@Cerri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cerri)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/207 "2003-05-06T23:22:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Did anyone else catch the two separate references to “The Once and Future King”? (Magneto was reading it when Stryker came into his cell, and Professor X was discussing it for his “class” at the end of the movie) I think this had to be referencing Jean Grey’s return as The Phoenix, I can’t imagine what else it was referencing. Someone just reminded me what it’s really most likely referencing. In the book, King Arthur in the course of his studies, learns that the only creatures that make war amongst themselves are ants, termites and human beings. ---
**Author:** ![Terrifel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c68b51/32.png) [@Terrifel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Terrifel)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2003, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/208 "2003-05-06T23:59:31Z")
My idea about **The Once and Future King** is that Magneto and Professor X were reading it for different reasons. Magneto, perhaps, enjoyed it because he identifies with Arthur’s situation; Arthur has been appointed by God to rule England, and is attacked and betrayed by lesser men around him. Professor X, on the other hand, identifies with Merlin, who attempts to tutor Arthur and instill in him virtues that will ensure that he uses his gifts to promote peace and protect the innocent. ---
**Author:** ![Asylum](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/53a042/32.png) [@Asylum](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Asylum)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/209 "2003-05-07T00:57:10Z")
For anybody’s who’s curious the movie was based on the X-Men graphic novel [God Loves, Man Kills](http://www.hillcity-comics.com/graphic_novels/xmen/god_loves_man_kills.htm). Came out in 1982 IIRC (wouldn’t you kill to see Berry in Storm’s outfit on the cover? Rowrr). Couple of points: To whoever asked about Nightcrawler’s piety, he is indeed devoutly religious (Catholic) in the comic, and although I never read the specific comics where it happened he at one point entered the priesthood. He is however more of a “guilty” Catholic and loves the ladies. Yuriko (Deathstrike) despises Wolverine in the comic because her father had devised a method of bonding adamantium with bone and thought that Wolverine had stolen that idea. Also she started off as a relatively nice person but someone mucked with her mind. And she didn’t have a healing factor in the comic, she was a cyborg. ---
**Author:** ![racinchikki](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@racinchikki](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/racinchikki)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/210 "2003-05-07T02:53:48Z")
I loved how the actor playing Nightcrawler did the little head-tilty, hand-flourishy, chest-sticky-outy, to-full-height-self-pully-uppy thing whenever he introduced himself - it was great, prideful gesture, only a little thing but it added to the character. “I am Kurt Wagner, but in the Munich Circus I was known as the Incredible Nightcrawler!” ---
**Author:** ![Gozu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gozu/32/6615_2.png) [@Gozu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gozu)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2003, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/211 "2003-05-07T06:03:12Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Skeezix \* > [Aside] > In the comics, he had a vertical limit of something like two or three miles IIRC, letting him go from aboard a plane in flight, to a couple hundred feet off the ground, and so on down to solid ground, in a series of jumps, as he scouted out the empty terrain for a “landing zone.” > > I may be misremembering, but I think he was once effectively trapped by some bad guy or another by being imprisoned in a lightless, sealed room, with no idea where he was, or what was outside the room. Sounds like an Arcade-style trap, as I think about it. > [/Aside] \*\* You’re not misremembering. I clearly remember that story. There were at least three mutants being toyed with (not sure if magneto was behind it). He was imprisoned in a cubic room with no clues of where it might be. It could have been deeply underground or submerged for all he knew. When he finally decided to make a blind jump, he teleported high, very high into the sky to minimize the chances of a collision. Also, he mentionned that he couldn’t just teleport back on the ground as the impact would be even worse than him falling the couple thousand feets. He finally opted for teleporting a few hundred feet from the ground and using hot air currents or something similar to plane (?) before he landed. Colossus was placed on a rock in the sea near the shore and there were submerged lasers underwater which would kill him if he tried to use his metal form (increased mass and volume) but wouldn’t if he kept his human form. He tested that theory by throwing two different sized rocks in the water. The last one I remember was angel (if that’s his name. the dude with the wings) who was placed into a room with lasers (what’s with the lasers anyways?) that would start shooting if he moved. He had to memorize their patterns and he just slalomed between them. And no, I have no idea why this information is still in my brain 15 years after I actually read the darn comic. ---
**Author:** ![Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/212 "2003-05-08T03:49:28Z")
**Gozu** , it’s called the “Direct Utility Retention Recursive,” I think. See, the less useful a bit of information is to you in day to day life, the more likely it is to stick in your brain like chewing gum on the underside of a desk. It’s a sickness, man. Time for Skeezix to pony-up: > [@](#): > > _Originally posted by **Cataclysm** _: > **I think I’ve mentioned this in another thread, but you’ll notice that in Stryker’s lab, there’s an x-ray board with several x-rays on it. One of those x-rays looks suspiciously like the wing of Angel/Archangel/Warren Worthington III - one of the original X-men in the comics. It might be a teaser for future films, or it could just be something for us fanboys/girls to act all knowledgeable about 😛** To which I replied that it was probably the X-ray of Deathstrike’s fingernail spikes, which could look like a wing, in a quick shot. Wrongo. Upon a second viewing, I saw that there was indeed an image, way up in the right hand corner of the board, that looked a whole bunch like a spread wing, about three pictures away from the x-ray of the hand I mentioned. Kudos to **Cataclysm** for havin’ them sharp eyes. [sub]Hey, I think your eyes are a little _too_ good. Are you registered? I’m callin’ the Project:Wideawake hotline…[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Ephemera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8baadc/32.png) [@Ephemera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ephemera)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/213 "2003-05-08T03:55:25Z")
**WOOHOO! ARCHANGEL!** With Nightcrawler appearing in X2 as a full fledged character and Collossus making a cameo that might be made into one in X3, this makes me sooo happy. Those were always my three favorite characters. 😃 Now if they’ll just get Apocalypse in there as the villain! ---
**Author:** ![AncientHumanoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ancienthumanoid/32/278_2.png) [@AncientHumanoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AncientHumanoid)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/214 "2003-05-08T04:03:18Z")
Apocalypse. Now! ---
**Author:** ![Skeezix](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/839c29/32.png) [@Skeezix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skeezix)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/215 "2003-05-08T04:21:24Z")
For that, I curse you. Fie. May you spend the next three hours cleaning my keyboard with a Q-tip and a dixie cup of distilled water. [sub]Or you could just, y’know, soak it in a tub of water overnight, but that’s not nearly as vindictive. So get thee to scrubbin’, varlet![/sub] ---
**Author:** ![Cataclysm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Cataclysm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cataclysm)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 9:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/216 "2003-05-08T09:34:08Z")
_phew_ I was feeling quite shattered that I might’ve been wrong. Now I will return to my high horse once again 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Deptford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Deptford](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deptford)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/217 "2003-05-08T12:46:39Z")
Ok, your right i am being picky on the whole genetics thing, but maybe i like being picky 🙂 Can i borrow your horse when your done with it **Cataclysm**? Another thing. Anyone got a DVD copy of the 1st X-men? In the flashbacks Wolverine has there i got a definite Nazi vibe on the uniforms people were wearing, but it’s so brief i can’t be sure on Video. I thought they were going to have some WW2 super soldier type tie in but obviously not.Just wondering if what you see in the 1st film matchs what they decided to go with. Oh and i’m still right about the genetics thing.🆒 ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/218 "2003-05-08T13:00:01Z")
Deptford, the comics have on at least one occasion suggested Wolverine served in the CANADIAN army during World War II, so it wouldn’t make a lot of sense for him to have been a Nazi supersoldier. In the first movie the uniforms appeared modern-day American to me. ---
**Author:** ![Deptford](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Deptford](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Deptford)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/219 "2003-05-08T13:15:13Z")
No, No, i wasn’t suggesting he was actually a Nazi. What i was envisaging was say a scenario where he was captured and then experimented on when his Healing powers were discovered.I’m not claiming the uniforms were Nazi , just that in the very brief glimpse you saw of them they looked that way and i was wondering what people with a DVD quality freexe frame could see. ---
**Author:** ![toadspittle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c0e974/32.png) [@toadspittle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/toadspittle)\ **Post date:** [May 8, 2003, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594/220 "2003-05-08T14:20:17Z")
So, is Wolverine basically immortal? Is he ever going to die of old age? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/x2-the-uncanny-spoiler-thread/172594.md?page=12)