# Xema and Crafter Man, you sick fucks **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2005, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134 "2005-03-25T02:35:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/1 "2005-03-25T02:35:17Z")
**Xema** : [In this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=308461), you ask for advice on how to get rid of feral cats, expressing your desire to poison them, even after it was pointed out to you that several posters have had problems with neighbors poisoning their pets. You refuse to go to animal control, because, ‘They wont’ help! And these people who don’t own the cats will get mad!’ Uh, they might be even angrier if you fucking poison these animals. And why? Because cats visciously slaughter birds (hey dumbass-that’s what cats do!) **Crafter\_Man** [In this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=5984042&postcount=39), you oh-so casually state: > [@](#): > > Up until 5 years ago we lived in a suburb of medium-sized city, and cats were definitely problem in our neighborhood. Because it was illegal to discharge a firearm in the city limits, I would set out traps in the backyard. I was catching about one cat / week during the last summer we were there. I would take each cat over to my uncle’s house, submerse the cage in a deep spot in his creek for 15 to 20 minutes, and then dump the carcass in his 55-gallon burn drum. Okay, I understand people who aren’t sentimental about animals, and animals causing problems on other’s property. But to go to such lengths, when you could have taken them into the pound? Jesus Christ, that’s just fucking psychotic. To actually sit there and act like you’re PROUD of this? Methinks the two of you need to read [“The Cats of Ulthar”, by H. P. Lovecraft.](http://www.dagonbytes.com/thelibrary/lovecraft/thecatsofulthar.htm) ---
**Author:** ![brownie55](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f14d63/32.png) [@brownie55](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brownie55)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/2 "2005-03-25T02:39:42Z")
And I was so predisposed to like you. Cats kill birds not because it’s what they do, but becasue thier owners are irresponsible. Keep them inside. Feed them. Keep them inside. You may note thay are called house cats for a reason. Keep them inside, feed them, keep them inside. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/3 "2005-03-25T02:44:41Z")
> [@brownie55](#): > > And I was so predisposed to like you. Cats kill birds not because it’s what they do, but becasue thier owners are irresponsible. > > Keep them inside. Feed them. Keep them inside. > > You may note thay are called house cats for a reason. > > Keep them inside, feed them, keep them inside. Of course. However, he’s making it out like these cats are deliberately torturing the birds just to be nasty. I was merely saying, well, no, they’re doing it because that’s what comes naturally to them. As far as keeping them inside-these seem to be strays that a few people feed on occasion. However, setting out to poison an animal like that is wrong-it’s cruel, and someone else (a small child, another animal) could mistakenly get a hold of said poison-it’s been known to have happened-and then what? Do the right thing and call animal control, or try to trap them and take them to a shelter. If the animals are too wild to be pets, they’ll put them down in a humane way-not by drowning or poison. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/4 "2005-03-25T02:47:17Z")
Meh. **Xema** doesn’t seem pitworthy. Ultimately, your pet is your responsibility. If you want to keep it alive, keep it contained. **Crafter\_Man** seems like a sick fuck. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/5 "2005-03-25T02:48:20Z")
There isn’t anything wrong with drowning a trapped cats. It’s really no different than using carbon dioxide. It’s just a traditional method of euthanasia. It isn’t nice to be an irresponsible pet owner with no respect for native wildlife, especially song birds. Do the decent thing and be a responsible pet owner and keep it in the house for both your cat’s sake and wildlife’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/6 "2005-03-25T02:53:00Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Up until 5 years ago we lived in a suburb of medium-sized city, and cats were definitely problem in our neighborhood. Because it was illegal to discharge a firearm in the city limits, I would set out traps in the backyard. I was catching about one cat / week during the last summer we were there. I would take each cat over to my uncle’s house, submerse the cage in a deep spot in his creek for 15 to 20 minutes, and then dump the carcass in his 55-gallon burn drum. I agree with you, **Guin** , this is totally fucked up. Drowning cats??? It doesn’t matter if they’re stray or not - it’s a heartless and cruel thing to do, to any animal. BTW, if **Crafter\_Man** can do this sort of thing, I guess that explains why he has no trouble treating fat people like shit. For him, it’s a step up. ---
**Author:** ![Reeder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c6cbf5/32.png) [@Reeder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeder)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/7 "2005-03-25T02:54:30Z")
And rodents and whatever else they can catch. They are predators for gods sake. And they do what the creator intended for them to do. If you have a problem with that…you have deeper problems than just cats. ---
**Author:** ![davenportavenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@davenportavenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davenportavenger)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/8 "2005-03-25T02:57:35Z")
After reading his replies on several threads over the past few days, I’ve been starting to believe **Crafter\_Man** is a sociopath. The cat thing nailed it. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 2:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/9 "2005-03-25T02:58:02Z")
> [@Machetero](#): > > There isn’t anything wrong with drowning a trapped cats. It’s really no different than using carbon dioxide. It’s just a traditional method of euthanasia. Yes, there is something wrong with drowing a trapped cat. Being plunged into a cold stream while trapped in a cage is a bit different then being placed in a container that’s then filled with a gas. The difference between dying terrified and dying peacefully? And the fact that he could have taken it to a shelter and let someone else kill it using a more humane method makes it especially sick. And I don’t care how traditional it is. Putting cats in baskets and burning them used to be traditional to, but hopefully we can all agree that’s inhumane? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/10 "2005-03-25T03:01:47Z")
Actually I don’t think you are being fair to **Xena** at least. It is real and difficult problem I face myself as cat owner. I see nothing in the thread to indicate **Xena** isn’t entirely genuine or open to humane suggestions. Note the consensus on trapping rather than poison. **Crafter Man** and **Machetero** have naturally leapt boots and all into the thread to show themselves complete loons, as one would predict. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/11 "2005-03-25T03:03:51Z")
**Reeder** , if O’Reilly published a book about you there’d be a beautiful black and white line drawing of a 7’ long school bus on the cover. Yes, cats are predators. So are tigers, for that matter. If I see either doing something I don’t like on my property, and it ain’t mine, I’ll kill it. Not because of its predatory nature, but because it’s a fucking nuisance and its owner, if any, isn’t controlling it. ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/12 "2005-03-25T03:09:04Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > **Reeder** , if O’Reilly published a book about you there’d be a beautiful black and white line drawing of a 7’ long school bus on the cover. > > Yes, cats are predators. So are tigers, for that matter. If I see either doing something I don’t like on my property, and it ain’t mine, I’ll kill it. Not because of its predatory nature, but because it’s a fucking nuisance and its owner, if any, isn’t controlling it. What’s wrong with just chasing it away? :dubious: If a person is letting their animal, who doesn’t know any better, run wild, why punish the animal? It’s not its fault. Why the hell should it be killed because its owner is irresponsible? ---
**Author:** ![Sevastopol](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cdc98d/32.png) [@Sevastopol](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sevastopol)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/13 "2005-03-25T03:08:17Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > Yes, cats are predators. So are tigers, for that matter. If I see either doing something I don’t like on my property, and it ain’t mine, Is this a problem in Texas? If so have you considered moving? ---
**Author:** ![Domokun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c77e96/32.png) [@Domokun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Domokun)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/14 "2005-03-25T03:15:17Z")
Wow Crafter\_Man sounds like a complete and utter deranged fuckstick. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/15 "2005-03-25T03:21:38Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > What’s wrong with just chasing it away? :dubious: > > If a person is letting their animal, who doesn’t know any better, run wild, why punish the animal? It’s not its fault. Why the hell should it be killed because its owner is irresponsible? Not to mention, sometimes cats DO get out accidentally. Didn’t **margin** pit a friend who was cat sitting for her, who let loose one of her indoor only cats? ---
**Author:** ![NurseCarmen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/5daacb/32.png) [@NurseCarmen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NurseCarmen)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/16 "2005-03-25T03:22:59Z")
The long hard (Well, not so hard this year) Minnesota winter is coming to an end here in Saint Paul. As is the norm, once the weather turns warmer the coyotes move up from the river bottom, and the missing cat posters start popping up faster than the tulips. And I root for the coyotes. Pet ownership is a responsibility. Protect those pretty kitties from the coyotes and the sick fucks. Keep em inside. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/17 "2005-03-25T03:25:14Z")
Speaking of coyotes, **Crafter\_Man** has also mentioned that the cats they keep around to get rid of the mice occasionally disappear-he presumes they were eaten by coyotes in the area. No big deal, they just go and get another one! What a great guy, isn’t he? ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/18 "2005-03-25T03:29:42Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > What’s wrong with just chasing it away? :dubious: Because it’ll come back? Duh. > [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > Why the hell should it be killed because its owner is irresponsible? Because it’s an animal, and my interests are more important. ---
**Author:** ![Unregistered\_Bull](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/3da27b/32.png) [@Unregistered\_Bull](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Unregistered_Bull)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/19 "2005-03-25T03:29:47Z")
> [@Sevastopol](#): > > Actually I don’t think you are being fair to **Xena** at least. > > It is real and difficult problem I face myself as cat owner. > > I see nothing in the thread to indicate **Xena** isn’t entirely genuine or open to humane suggestions. Note the consensus on trapping rather than poison. > > **Crafter Man** and **Machetero** have naturally leapt boots and all into the thread to show themselves complete loons, as one would predict. If one of you nutjob animal rights fruitcakes considers me a loon, then I must be doing something right. Your championing of irresponsible care of your pets, the needless death of wildlife, and lack of respect for your neighbors’ property clinches who is the actual loon here. Burning is new one on me I never heard of it. Sounds mean. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/20 "2005-03-25T03:33:14Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > What’s wrong with just chasing it away? :dubious: You would try to chase a tiger away? You have more balls than any two professional football teams I can think to name. 😃 [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134.md?page=2)