# Xema and Crafter Man, you sick fucks **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2005, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134 "2005-03-25T02:35:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/21 "2005-03-25T03:33:52Z")
**Guin** , I’m with you on the drowning them is sick bit, but not the “not caring if a coyote gets them” is sick bit. Believe it or not, some people use animals for purposes other then companionship. A farm cat kept around to kill mice and such ain’t a pet, and I wouldn’t expect him to form any more of an emotional attachment to it then the cow that’s mixed in with the noodles in tonights hamburger helper entree. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/22 "2005-03-25T03:34:01Z")
No one is defending people who let their pets roam. We’re talking about people who go out of their way to torture animals to death, rather than just call animal control, or trap said animal and take it to the pound. **Crafter\_Man** deliberately set traps for these animals, but rather than take them to the local shelter, he drove out to his uncles and dropped the cages in “a deep spot in his creek for 15 to 20 minutes”. That’s fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Metacom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecae2f/32.png) [@Metacom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Metacom)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/23 "2005-03-25T03:36:13Z")
> [@Machetero](#): > > If one of you nutjob animal rights fruitcakes considers me a loon, then I must be doing something right. So far, the only thing I’ve really come out against is drowning them in a cage. I can understand killing a nuisance animal well enough, and I’d even consider it myself if the situation warranted it. But drowning? **Machetero** , can you honestly say that you could trap a cat, drive to a family member’s house, and then plunge the cage into a stream to drown it to death? When you could just as easily have taken it to animal control? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/24 "2005-03-25T03:36:27Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > **Guin** , I’m with you on the drowning them is sick bit, but not the “not caring if a coyote gets them” is sick bit. > > Believe it or not, some people use animals for purposes other then companionship. A farm cat kept around to kill mice and such ain’t a pet, and I wouldn’t expect him to form any more of an emotional attachment to it then the cow that’s mixed in with the noodles in tonights hamburger helper entree. Maybe it’s just that he was upset about people who let their animals roam, so much that he went out and drowned any cat he could trap, but now he lets his animals roam, and doesn’t bother to make sure they’re cared for. ---
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/25 "2005-03-25T03:40:14Z")
I’m not trying to be a **Crafter\_man** apologist here, he’s definately a screwball that should go on some kind of list… But. He too is a predator. The cat, in this example, is prey. It’s honestly not all that different than hunting a deer with a rifle (which is no better, I’ll never understand hunters). Shoot a deer in the chest, and if your round goes through the lungs, the same drowning effect happens, only with blood, not water. **Crafter\_man** is an example of how some of us in the gene pool have failed to make it to the deep end. ---
**Author:** ![Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/779978/32.png) [@Amazon\_Floozy\_Goddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Amazon_Floozy_Goddess)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/26 "2005-03-25T03:57:01Z")
> [@Metacom](#): > > Because it’ll come back? Duh. > Because it’s an animal, and my interests are more important. There are humane ways to keep an animal off your property. For example, there’s a local lady who’s hired to take her trained dog around to public parks that have too many geese. After a few times of the dog chasing the geese away, they get the message that they’re not wanted and don’t come back. There are many, many other deterrents out there, too, ones that will discourage them from returning. Also, an animal has every bit as much a right to live as you do. Just what makes your interests so much more important? ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/27 "2005-03-25T04:15:35Z")
So someone with a housecat, a beloved pet, a member of their family, accidently lets it get out, and these sick fucks murder it? I hope they both get picked up on charges of animal cruelty. Mother of mercy, if anybody _touched_ one of my cats you’d need several grown adults to pull me off them. Stray cats are just doing what it takes to survive, they’re part of the cycle of life. Even housecats which are subsidized predators, while being bad for local bird populations, are still members of people’s families. You educate their owners, you don’t fucking murder their pets! Stray cats should be taken to a shelter. Housepets which get out, even without a collar, should be returned. You sick, sick, sadistic fucks. Cowards. Slime. Scum. Life thieves. Fucking life thieves! ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/28 "2005-03-25T04:19:28Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > Also, an animal has every bit as much a right to live as you do. Just what makes your interests so much more important? Are you joking? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/29 "2005-03-25T04:24:32Z")
I hope none of those animals **Crafter\_Man** trapped had collars. Hopefully, even he isn’t that fucking sick. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/30 "2005-03-25T04:25:59Z")
I have a friend that was having problems with squirrels chewing into his attic and destroying his house. I loaned him my havahart traps. After he trapped a squirrel he called me and asked what he should do with it, I told him to fill a big rubbermaid container with water and put the whole trap in there. It’s a quick and humane way to kill them in a city where you can’t shoot them. Why is it any different for a cat? Just because some people have them as pets does not mean all cats are lovable, loving creatures. I am a dog person, and I love dogs, but if I am in the woods and a pack of feral dogs starts growling at me, I will shoot and kill every last one of them. I would agree that if you can have animal control do your dirty work for you, why not. But the cat will be just as dead. “an animal has every bit as much a right to live as you do” Does that mean I should lay down and let a pack of feral dogs rip me apart? After all, the needs of the many… ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/31 "2005-03-25T04:26:09Z")
If he was living in Ohio at the time of his sick killings, he’s guilty of [animal cruelty](http://www.animal-law.org/statutes/ohio.htm). And is posting a record of his criminal activity to the Dope. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/32 "2005-03-25T04:27:37Z")
> [@Amazon Floozy Goddess](#): > > Also, an animal has every bit as much a right to live as you do. This has got to be one of the dumbest things I’ve heard here…and I mean that in the nicest possible way. Seriously, think about it – animals have “as much a right to live as [humans]”? Fowl, fish, cattle, etc.? Anyway, there’s a big difference between domesticated animals and wild ones. I doubt Americans are very familiar with feral cats (I certainly wasn’t until I spend some time “down under”), and so when someone speaks of killing _any_ felines, the typical reaction is “poor kitty-kitty”. That’s simply ignorance. Eliminating a feral cat is actually a good thing; killing someone’s housepet is fucked. It’s not clear to me which ones **Crafter** is referring to. Perhaps that could be clarified before you start a lynch mob. ---
**Author:** ![yBeayf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e274bd/32.png) [@yBeayf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yBeayf)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/33 "2005-03-25T04:28:10Z")
> [@](#): > > Stray cats should be taken to a shelter. Housepets which get out, even without a collar, should be returned. You sick, sick, sadistic fucks. Cowards. Slime. Scum. Life thieves. Fucking life thieves! Stray cats aren’t pets – they’re vermin. It’s no more wrong to poison or shoot a nuisance stray cat than it is to poison or put out traps for rats and mice. If someone wants to keep the cat (mouse, rat, whatever) as a pet, great, but it’s their responsibility to keep it indoors or leashed. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/34 "2005-03-25T04:30:35Z")
> [@yBeayf](#): > > Stray cats aren’t pets – they’re vermin. It’s no more wrong to poison or shoot a nuisance stray cat than it is to poison or put out traps for rats and mice. [Ya think?](http://www.animal-law.org/statutes/) ---
**Author:** ![Domokun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/c77e96/32.png) [@Domokun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Domokun)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/35 "2005-03-25T04:32:29Z")
> [@August West](#): > > It’s a quick and humane way to kill them in a city where you can’t shoot them Death by drowning is humane now? Would you want to go that way? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/36 "2005-03-25T04:32:46Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > If he was living in Ohio at the time of his sick killings, he’s guilty of [animal cruelty](http://www.animal-law.org/statutes/ohio.htm). > And is posting a record of his criminal activity to the Dope. I’m sorry, I don’t see which part of that law he was breaking. I agree that his actions were morally wrong - I would take any captured cats to the pound - but assuming he’s talking about feral cats, that law doesn’t apply. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/37 "2005-03-25T04:33:49Z")
[QUOTE=FinnAgain Ya think?[/QUOTE] Wisconsin: “No person may treat any animal, whether belonging to the person or another, in a cruel manner” Sounds like feral cats are fair game. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/38 "2005-03-25T04:34:48Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I’m sorry, I don’t see which part of that law he was breaking. I agree that his actions were morally wrong - I would take any captured cats to the pound - but assuming he’s talking about feral cats, that law doesn’t apply. Bullshit. > [@](#): > > (1) Torture an animal, deprive one of necessary sustenance, unnecessarily or cruelly beat, needlessly mutilate or kill, or impound or confine an animal without supplying it during such confinement with a sufficient quantity of good wholesome food and water; > > (2) Impound or confine an animal without affording it, during such confinement, access to shelter from wind, rain, snow, or excessive direct sunlight if it can reasonably be expected that the animals would otherwise become sick or in some other way suffer. Division (A)(2) of this section does not apply to animals impounded or confined prior to slaughter. For the purpose of this section, shelter means a man-made enclosure, windbreak, sunshade, or natural windbreak or sunshade that is developed from the earth’s contour, tree development, or vegetation.[;] > > (3) Carry or convey an animal in a cruel or inhuman[e] manner; > > (4) Keep animals other than cattle, poultry or fowl, swine, sheep, or goats in an enclosure without wholesome exercise and change of air, [n1] nor or feed cows on food that produces impure or unwholesome milk; I see no mention of ‘stray’ there. ---
**Author:** ![fruitbat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/58f4c7/32.png) [@fruitbat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fruitbat)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/39 "2005-03-25T04:35:53Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Are you joking? I would guess not. I would further guess that this is exactly the type of person Crafter is deliberately provoking. I find his actions deplorable and borderline disturbing, but the people who would put the life of each animal on par with that of each human are just as disturbing. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2005, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/40 "2005-03-25T04:35:58Z")
> [@Domokun](#): > > Death by drowning is humane now? Would you want to go that way? I was talking about a squirrel. I do not advocate drowning humans. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134.md?page=3)