# Xema and Crafter Man, you sick fucks **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 25, 2005, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134 "2005-03-25T02:35:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/141 "2005-03-26T03:15:34Z")
> [@Bippy the Beardless](#): > > Quite frankly there is no more reason for Native Americans to hunt live prey with bow and arrow for tradition than it is for Europeans to hunt boar with boar spears or venison with Bow and Arrow as such weapons are just as traditional to the European as Native American culture. > Truely any form of hunting can be done well or badly, someone who cannot consistantly make a clean kill with their weapon should not be allowed to go hunting. I doubt there are many who can consistantly get a clean kill with bow and arrow. **Bippy** , are you a hunter of any sort? I’m not, but have friends who are. I’m frankly not that interested in bow hunting or hunting generally, but your blanket condemnation of bow hunters seems hasty to me. My (admittedly superficial) understanding of bow hunting, is that hunters hunt with bows because a) it’s safer than hunting with guns (esp. when other hunting parties are around) and b) it’s more challenging and requires quite a lot of skill than hunting with guns. I’d guess quite a lot more b than a, but that’s my guess. At the end of the hunt, an animal is killed, hopefully humanely. With a gun, you might kill cleanly. Or you might not, and the animal is wounded, and the hunter must chase it and finish it off. Same deal with a bow, although admittedly the chance of a clean kill seems less likely. Question: Is the lessened likelyhood of a “one-shot” kill really enough reason to champion outlawing bow hunting, given that both a gun and a bow may wound but not kill an animal? ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/142 "2005-03-26T03:35:44Z")
Hmmm. So bow hunting = evil. This thread is getting more entertaining. At least I now understand the mindset. Please proceed. [Get more popcorn] _Chomp chomp._ [/Get more popcorn] ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/143 "2005-03-26T03:37:28Z")
Making animals suffere needlessly is evil. Bow hunting in and of itself isn’t wrong, it just raises the probability of a very messy very slow kill. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/144 "2005-03-26T03:38:47Z")
I don’t think bow hunting is evil. (Although it doesn’t sound quite as efficient). I said drowning cats on purpose is evil. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/145 "2005-03-26T03:47:10Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Making animals suffere needlessly is evil. My take would be that it’s unfortunate, and to be avoided, but obviously can and will happen when hunting with a bow. Calling the suffering “Evil”, to me, means you shouldn’t bow hunt, ever, because the risk of committing Evil is too great. That implied stance seems a bit extreme to me. ---
**Author:** ![whiterabbit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/cab0a1/32.png) [@whiterabbit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/whiterabbit)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/146 "2005-03-26T03:47:41Z")
I too don’t think bow hunting is evil. But if you’re not damn good with a bow, you sure as hell shouldn’t be shooting at animals – and if you make a bad shot, you should do your damndest to kill the animal as quickly as possible after that. I am not a hunter, but I am guessing it would be possible to follow an animal who is bleeding heavily from a misplaced arrow (or bullet) and catch up with them and shoot again before they bleed to death, at least under some circumstances. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Drowning a cat is another story. So would be drowning just about anything. Hell, I have a FISH that could conceiveably drown (he’s a betta, they have a special organ that lets them get oxygen from air and their gills aren’t as efficient as other fish) and I’d do my damndest to keep that from happening. Putting an animal down is sometimes necessary. What isn’t necessary is to do it by drowning, or any slow and painful method. Heck, I had to euthanize a previous betta, and did it as humanely as I could. ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/147 "2005-03-26T03:50:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > I said drowning cats on purpose is evil. And apparently, starving people to death on purpose isn’t. Talk about sick fucks. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/148 "2005-03-26T03:52:12Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > we see cats as companions. Who is “we”? > [@Guinastasia](#): > > If that was the case, why didn’t you try and shoot the deer again to put her out of her misery? Um, Guin-babe, I take it you’ve never been bow hunting. (I understand. I mean, how can you go bow hunting when you’re glued in front of a computer monitor 23 hours out of the day?) > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Did you recognize some of those cats as belonging to your neighbors? Did any of them have collars? Some of them may have been microchipped. I couldn’t care less. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Why the HELL didn’t you just drive the caged animals to the pound? Because it’s across town, and (I believe) they make you fill out paper work, yada yada yada. Besides, if I take it to the pound there’s a chance it will end up in my backyard again. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > Was there a REASON you deliberately drowned most likely well-loved pets? Yea. To remove them from my backyard. > [@Guinastasia](#): > > You are one scary SOB. I see. I am now a “scary SOB.” And all the farmers in Saskatchewan are also scary SOBs? (See **featherlou’s** comments in the second page for more info.) ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/149 "2005-03-26T03:54:17Z")
> [@squeegee](#): > > My take would be that it’s unfortunate, and to be avoided, but obviously can and will happen when hunting with a bow. Calling the suffering “Evil”, to me, means you shouldn’t bow hunt, ever, because the risk of committing Evil is too great. That implied stance seems a bit extreme to me. I never said that it shouldn’t ever be engaged in. I think that unless you’re very good with a bow, however, you shouldn’t hunt with one as it would most likely needlessly cause pain and suffering to an animal. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/150 "2005-03-26T03:55:14Z")
**Crafter\_man** : this is your big chance to pontificate on how bow-hunting or whatever is OK with God and Jesus. Or something. At the least, I’m sure you know more more about hunting with a bow than myself or probably everyone in the thread. Please contribute and tell me why bow hunters hunt. Honest question! ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/151 "2005-03-26T03:56:47Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Yea. To remove them from my backyard. Hey, you lazy sick fuck, here’s an idea. Once an animal is caged and can’t get out, you drive it to the shelter. It’s removed from your backyard, and doesn’t die a slow painful death. What a concept! Asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/152 "2005-03-26T03:56:53Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > And apparently, starving people to death on purpose isn’t. Talk about sick fucks. Go shit in someone else’s thread. I already said, I will NOT have this turned into another Schiavo thread. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/153 "2005-03-26T03:58:13Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > And apparently, starving people to death on purpose isn’t. Talk about sick fucks. You must understand. **Guin-babe** cares more about pets than humans. It must be part of the mindset of being a pet owner; the value of a cat’s life trumps the value of a human’s life… ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/154 "2005-03-26T04:01:50Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > Hey, you lazy sick fuck, here’s an idea. Once an animal is caged and can’t get out, you drive it to the shelter. It’s removed from your backyard, and doesn’t die a slow painful death. What a concept! > > Asshole. Who says it’s a pet? Maybe it’s a stray cat. If it is/was a pet, perhaps the owner doesn’t want it anymore. It doesn’t matter. It’s on _my_ property. Ad it will soon cease to exist. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/155 "2005-03-26T04:02:01Z")
> [@milroyj](#): > > And apparently, starving people to death on purpose isn’t. Talk about sick fucks. The courts have confirmed[sup]3[/sup] that the person starving requested that before hand, you ignorant fuck[sup]4[/sup]! ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/156 "2005-03-26T04:03:23Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > You must understand. **Guin-babe** cares more about pets than humans. It must be part of the mindset of being a pet owner; the value of a cat’s life trumps the value of a human’s life… If all human beings were like you, hell yeah. Fortunately, that’s not the case. ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/157 "2005-03-26T04:03:44Z")
**Crafter\_Man** , I was really sympathetic to your side re: exterminating unwanted animals, & hunting issues. On review: please grow up. And go fuck yourself. ---
**Author:** ![FinnAgain](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finnagain/32/12500_2.png) [@FinnAgain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinnAgain)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/158 "2005-03-26T04:09:47Z")
> [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Who says it’s a pet? Lazy sick fuck with poor reading skills? I didn’t say ‘pet’ I said ‘animal’, as in, even if you trap a wild cat and kill it in an inhumane manner, you’re still a sick fuck. > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > Maybe it’s a stray cat. If it is/was a pet, perhaps the owner doesn’t want it anymore. Or maybe it got out by accident and some child is crying that their pet is gone, and some sick fuck like you was too damn lazy to drive it to the shelter instead of killing it in a cruel and inhumane manner? > [@Crafter\_Man](#): > > It doesn’t matter. It’s on _my_ property. Ad it will soon cease to exist. Ya know… this brings the phrase “squeel like a pig, boy”, to mind. You ever go camping? ---
**Author:** ![milroyj](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@milroyj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/milroyj)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/159 "2005-03-26T04:16:29Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Go shit in someone else’s thread. I already said, I will NOT have this turned into another Schiavo thread. Sorry, babe, that’s NOT how it works. If you start a Pit Thread, you can’t dictate who can reply or what they can say because they don’t agree with you. ---
**Author:** ![Crafter\_Man](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crafter_man/32/458_2.png) [@Crafter\_Man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crafter_Man)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2005, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134/160 "2005-03-26T04:17:15Z")
> [@FinnAgain](#): > > I didn’t say ‘pet’ I said ‘animal’, as in, even if you trap a wild cat and kill it in an inhumane manner… So you’re saying I should also take a rat to the shelter? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xema-and-crafter-man-you-sick-fucks/296134.md?page=9)