# Xtf? (Spoilers for X-Men movie) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 26, 2006, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312 "2006-05-26T14:07:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Scupper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Scupper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scupper)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/161 "2006-05-30T19:49:45Z")
Did anyone else find the “youth-anized” Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan kind of unsettling? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/162 "2006-05-30T20:19:55Z")
Signing in here. Loved the first two X-movies, as well as the _Spider-Man_ films. I’ve missed most of the other superhero movies in the last decade out of apathy, though I was moderately entertained by _The Hulk_ (though I understand why a lot of folks didn’t like it). _X3,_ however, was a solid miss for me. The movie had nothing aside from the obligatory splashy special effects and big fight scenes. Characterization was practically nil, subtlety was non-existent, and everything was delivered with the subtlety of a sledegehammer. Which is fine if you want a mindless summer popcorn movie, but after the first two, this one was a disappointment. I was also irritated by how characters were asted (either killed off wily-nilly, or just introduced and then ignored), as well as the predictability of the plot (who _didn’t_ see the Angel’s last-second rescue coming?). They could have easily made two movies out of this – the mutant cure and the Phoenix resurrection – but throwing them together made the movie too crowded and rushed as a result. _X3_ is what you’d get if George Lucas were to do an X-movie. I’m sure Fox will do another movie, but after this one, I’m definitely going to wait until after opening weekend and see the level of suckitude before dropping my money. For comics geeks: I caught the Stan Lee cameo, but apparently Chris Claremont and John Byrne also had cameos in the opener as well. I also totally missed the references to Jubille and Psylocke, which IMO says something about how lame the movie’s direction was. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/163 "2006-05-30T20:55:07Z")
Well I liked it. I was surprised to see Psylocke mentioned in the credits, as I didn’t notice her at all. Who was the girl student doing the magical notetaking during Xavier’s lecture? Yah, “Phoenix” was poorly done. They should have somehow found a way to work in the fact that Kitty has a genius-level intellect, and is brilliant with computers. Her official history had her taking college courses when she was 13-1/2 years old. In the comics she has been involved with older men. I’d swear that was Helen Hunt sitting next to Hank McCoy at Xavier’s funeral. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 10:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/164 "2006-05-30T22:45:14Z")
[QUOTE=Scupper] Did anyone else find the “youth-anized” Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan kind of unsettling? [/QUOTE] Actually, I thought “They make such a cute couple.” ---
**Author:** ![KarlGrenze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/dbc845/32.png) [@KarlGrenze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KarlGrenze)\ **Post date:** [May 30, 2006, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/165 "2006-05-30T23:49:14Z")
Phase, I think some of the students at Xavier’s school do take college level courses. I think there was a mention in one of the movies about a college level Physics course they were taking… ---
**Author:** ![ArrMatey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/arrmatey/32/3522_2.png) [@ArrMatey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArrMatey)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/166 "2006-05-31T00:15:39Z")
[QUOTE=MrDibble] Actually, I thought “They make such a cute couple.” [/QUOTE] Good lord, I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who thought that! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/167 "2006-05-31T00:34:43Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, i grew up pronouncing it “Zavier,” but since i moved to the US i have only ever heard “Egg-zavier” or “Eck-zavier.” > > I just assumed this was standard American pronunciation. Egg-zactly. ---
**Author:** ![lissener](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lissener/32/6139_2.png) [@lissener](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lissener)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/168 "2006-05-31T00:38:46Z")
[QUOTE=Patty O’Furniture] Egg-zactly. [/QUOTE] Not exactly standard; I’ve only heard it in recent years. ---
**Author:** ![Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/96bed5/32.png) [@Patty\_O\_Furniture](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Patty_O_Furniture)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/169 "2006-05-31T00:40:39Z")
Well egg-scuze me. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NothingMan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/b77776/32.png) [@NothingMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NothingMan)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/170 "2006-05-31T02:17:02Z")
Well I’ve run out of time to read all the posts so forgive me if I reiterate something already said. IMHO this movie gets a 7 out of 10. It is good fun, the FX are worth seeing on the big screen and they get more things right than they do wrong. My major gripe with X3 is that they took two huge storylines and combined them into one film. Which had the end effect of not doing either one particularly well. Both the “Dark Phoenix Saga” and the “Mutant Wars” could have held the fim on their own. Put together the filmakers never fully flesh out either story to my satisfaction. Wolverine is done well. Magneto, Jugernaut and Kitty Pride are done well. Most every other character left me wanting more. I hope they do an X4 - the ending (especially the quick scene after the credits) leaves that possibility open. It seems almost certain we’ll get a Wolverine movie - at least Hugh Jackman has said as much. I think it would be awesome to put together a “Secret Wars” movie and have all the Marvel movie creations come together - X-Men, Spiderman, The Hulk, Fan 4…maybe even Daredevil. Aren’t there plans for a “Iron Man” film too? Oh and when I saw X3 we got a preview for “Ghostrider” that looked freakin’ incredible!! ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/171 "2006-05-31T02:25:54Z")
[QUOTE=NothingMan] I think it would be awesome to put together a “Secret Wars” movie and have all the Marvel movie creations come together - X-Men, Spiderman, The Hulk, Fan 4…maybe even Daredevil. [/QUOTE] Probably wouldn’t happen because of the licensing issues involved. At least that was the concensus (sort of) in a thread I started a while back on how much (if any) the different Marvel movie universes overlap. ---
**Author:** ![dbuzman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9de0a6/32.png) [@dbuzman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dbuzman)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/172 "2006-05-31T02:33:28Z")
[QUOTE=Phase42] Well I liked it. \ Who was the girl student doing the magical notetaking during Xavier’s lecture? \ [/QUOTE] In the book adaptation (I read it then saw the movie) she is just referred to as “Weezie” and that seems to be her only power. Get the book, Chris Claremont wrote it off the screenplay and it does more character developement and background. And from reading it and then seeing the movie there have just got to be scenes they filmed then cut for length or some other reason. Hopefully the DVD release will have the cut scenes on it. Oh, and as far as Magneto maybe getting his powers back, it is a mutation so maybe his is just enough different from what the “cure” was designed for that it just suppressed his temporarily. After all the kid only suppressed mutations while people were in range. In the book rogue didn’t take the cure. She went to the clinic that Pyro attacked, wasn’t able to get it there then changed her mind. So I think she probably didn’t take it in the movie because that would be a major story line difference from the movie to the book adaptation. ---
**Author:** ![Misnomer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misnomer/32/14897_2.png) [@Misnomer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Misnomer)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/173 "2006-05-31T03:28:06Z")
[QUOTE=lissener] Not exactly standard; I’ve only heard it in recent years. [/QUOTE] I’m not sure how you’re defining “recent,” but when I was a freshman in college – way back in '89 😉 – there was a dorm called Xavier Hall and I distinctly remember that the students pronounced it both ways. Also, the founder of our college was Frances Xavier Cabrini (hence the dorm name), and whenever her name was mentioned I also heard “Xavier” pronounced both ways. I hadn’t needed to say that name until I went to that school, and the “official” pronuciation was “zavier,” so that’s how I learned to pronounce it. But many people – students, faculty, and staff alike – said “eggzavier” the whole four years I was there. Perhaps because of my college years, I’ve always thought of “zavier” as the primary pronunciation and “eggzavier” as an acceptable alternative. One pronunciation I definitely dislike is “ex-zavier.” ---
**Author:** ![RandMcnally](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/b782af/32.png) [@RandMcnally](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RandMcnally)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/174 "2006-05-31T04:45:30Z")
Stupid question: How did Professor X get put into the wheelchair originally? I used to know, but I forgot. ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/175 "2006-05-31T04:48:52Z")
An alien named Lucifer dropped a rock on his legs as revenge for foiling his invasion plan. Really. ---
**Author:** ![Talon\_Karrde](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Talon\_Karrde](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Talon_Karrde)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/176 "2006-05-31T05:05:20Z")
[QUOTE=Jurph] I bet in the next movie she makes sure it’s sunny and seventy degrees in Los Angeles. [/QUOTE] Seventy in LA? I think they consider that on the coldish side. [QUOTE=Merijeek] Nah…assuming he can do more than regrow his arms it’s actually pretty useful. Really, he’s got Wolverine’s regeneration, but it happens even quicker. Plus he’s generating matter constantly, so you could use him to fuel a stove for free and forever! [/QUOTE] Hey, I just figured out how to solve world hunger! ---
**Author:** ![ouryL](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ouryl/32/6067_2.png) [@ouryL](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouryL)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/177 "2006-05-31T05:46:13Z")
[QUOTE=mhendo] Well, just got back and i have to say i really liked it. Admittedly, a certain suspension of disbelief is required—beyond the normal for such a movie—in order to accept the final battle. As **Brian Ekers** says, Magneto could have just dropped the bridge on the facility and ended it all there and then. But the Beast (Kelsey Grammer) was great, and i also get a chuckle out of Vinnie Jones, so i liked Juggernaut. This one might have been subtitled “The Last Stand,” but it certainly left plenty of scope for another episode. [spoiler]It was a very short scene, only about 1015 seconds. We see a nurse enter a room with a hospital bed, and we then hear Xavier’s voice (can’t remember exactly what he says), and the nruse says somthing like, “Charles, you’re awake.” I wasn’t quite sure exactly what the deal was, but do you remember the Ethics class Xavier was giving early in the movie, where he talked about the ethics of giving a personality to a man with a perfectly good body but no mind? My suspicion was that Xavier has somehow gotten inside this guy. I could be wrong though. If anyone wants to correct me or offer a different interpretation, i’m all ears.[/spoiler] [/QUOTE] Can I presume this comatose mutant is Juggernaut’s brother? ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/178 "2006-05-31T07:19:36Z")
[QUOTE=ouryL] Can I presume this comatose mutant is Juggernaut’s brother? [/QUOTE] There’s no indication the comatose man is a mutant, and there’s nothing textual indicating any relationship between him and Juggernaut. ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/179 "2006-05-31T13:26:10Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] There’s no indication the comatose man is a mutant, and there’s nothing textual indicating any relationship between him and Juggernaut. [/QUOTE] Well, they could be leveraging several things - wasn’t Cain Marko (Juggernaut) originally Xavier’s brother or half-brother or step-brother or something? Then again, IIRC, he wasn’t a mutant - he got his powers from…something magical? And the helmet was just to protect against telepathy? Is that right? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2006, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312/180 "2006-05-31T13:33:00Z")
[QUOTE=Merijeek] Well, they could be leveraging several things - wasn’t Cain Marko (Juggernaut) originally Xavier’s brother or half-brother or step-brother or something? Then again, IIRC, he wasn’t a mutant - he got his powers from…something magical? And the helmet was just to protect against telepathy? Is that right? [/QUOTE] Yep, that’s right. Step-brother, Gem of Cyttorak, telepathy-reducing helmet since it’s pretty much the only thing that can stop him. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtf-spoilers-for-x-men-movie/358312.md?page=10)