# xtisme, come on down, you muppet!
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [June 7, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300 "2010-06-07T17:06:50Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/1 "2010-06-07T17:06:50Z")
Okay, smart arse, here I am to be schooled by you on ufo’s.
But first, I suggest you acquire a copy of the book **UFO’s and the National Security State. vol1. by Richard M. Dolan**. Unless you are prepared to read this book and discuss the cases and information in it, and the implications thereof, I am just going to assume you are a typical full of shit derbunker, afraid to read anything that might upset your misconceptions.
I don’t want to debate with **you** on the subject, as I’ve seen what a waste of time and mental energy that can be on the JREF. Instead, I want to have a casual discussion fitting the tone of your last post in **Mr Kobayashi’s** thread.
- twiddles thumbs in anticipation \*
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### Author:  [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/2 "2010-06-07T17:09:54Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> Okay, smart arse, here I am to be schooled by you on ufo’s.
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> But first, I suggest you acquire a copy of the book **UFO’s and the National Security State. vol1. by Richard M. Dolan**. Unless you are prepared to read this book and discuss the cases and information in it, and the implications thereof, I am just going to assume you are a typical full of shit derbunker, afraid to read anything that might upset your misconceptions.
>
> I don’t want to debate with **you** on the subject, as I’ve seen what a waste of time and mental energy that can be on the JREF. Instead, I want to have a casual discussion fitting the tone of your last post in **Mr Kobayashi’s** thread.
>
> - twiddles thumbs in anticipation \*
Dolan doesn’t seem to have authored much in the way of peer-reviewed literature.
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/3 "2010-06-07T17:11:21Z")
> [@Bricker](#):
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> Dolan doesn’t seem to have authored much in the way of peer-reviewed literature.
Who are his peers?
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### Author:  [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/4 "2010-06-07T17:12:05Z")
The baboon cage at the National Zoo?
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### Author:  [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/5 "2010-06-07T17:14:45Z")
Why you gotta badmouth baboons like that?
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### Author:  [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/6 "2010-06-07T17:21:10Z")
**ivan** , you know what would make this thread interesting for people who aren’t you or **xtisme**? A link to whatever it is you’re talking about.
Also, every nutball retard on the Internet loves to play the “you can’t argue against [crazy conspiracy theory] until you read/watch [crazy conspiracy theory book/website/YouTube video]” card. I’m sure it feels like a power move when you’re typing it, but it doesn’t work: you’ve got to make a convincing case yourself, you can’t pawn it off on the reader.
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/7 "2010-06-07T17:25:43Z")
Bollocks. I’m not playing the game to your rules. I make my own up, as and when suitable.
This is my thread, until some mod gets over-zealous.
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### Author:  [@Grey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grey)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/8 "2010-06-07T17:28:26Z")
Ohhhh UFO discussion rules. I can’t imagine how this wont be productive.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/9 "2010-06-07T17:30:00Z")
Why don’t you summarize the relevant information from Mr. Dolan’s book. I think it would be helpful if you could cite whatever you believe is the single strongest, and most irrefutable piece of evidence that earth has been visted by extraterrestrial spacecraft.
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/10 "2010-06-07T17:31:08Z")
Something of an aperitif.
[Report on a Survey of the Membership of the American Astronomical Society Concerning the UFO Phenomenon - Summary](http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc604.htm)
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> Refereed journals, to which scientists turn for their reliable information, carry virtually no information on the UFO problem. Does this imply that scientists have no views and no thoughts on the subject, or that all scientists consider it insignificant? Does it imply that scientists have no reports to submit comparable with UFO reports published in newspapers and popular books? The purpose of this survey is to answer these questions.
> [@](#):
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> Analysis of the returns shows that older scientists are markedly more negative to the problem than are younger scientists
Fortunately, they’ll all be dead at some point.
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### Author:  [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/11 "2010-06-07T17:31:08Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> Bollocks. I’m not playing the game to your rules. I make my own up, as and when suitable.
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> This is my thread, until some mod gets over-zealous.
Ivan, the thing is if you make up your own rules and no one else thinks their good rules, you just end up playing with yourself (in all meanings of the word).
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### Author:  [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/12 "2010-06-07T17:32:51Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> Bollocks. I’m not playing the game to your rules. I make my own up, as and when suitable.
>
> This is my thread, until some mod gets over-zealous.
Well, masturbate away, then. I’m going to move out of the blast radius.
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### Author:  [@Trepa\_Mayfield](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trepa_Mayfield)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/13 "2010-06-07T17:33:40Z")
Well huh. I knew ivan was insane, but I didn’t realize he was _that_ insane. Learn something new every day.
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/14 "2010-06-07T17:35:25Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> Why don’t you summarize the relevant information from Mr. Dolan’s book. I think it would be helpful if you could cite whatever you believe is the single strongest, and most irrefutable piece of evidence that earth has been visted by extraterrestrial spacecraft.
Doesn’t work like that. I had to make the effort to acquire it and read it. Anyone who wants to argue in good faith can do the same.
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/15 "2010-06-07T17:36:31Z")
> [@Giraffe](#):
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> Well, masturbate away, then. I’m going to move out of the blast radius.
Bye. I don’t remember inviting you anyway.
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/16 "2010-06-07T17:39:35Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#):
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> Ivan, the thing is if you make up your own rules and no one else thinks their good rules, you just end up playing with yourself (in all meanings of the word).
I don’t mind. I only stated the thread to be made a fool of by **xtisme**. Should be fun to watch, even if you don’t take part.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/17 "2010-06-07T17:39:46Z")
> [@Ivan's crackpot cite](#):
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> Refereed journals, to which scientists turn for their reliable information, carry virtually no information on the UFO problem.
They don’t carry any information on the werewolf problem either.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/18 "2010-06-07T17:40:55Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#):
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> Doesn’t work like that. I had to make the effort to acquire it and read it. Anyone who wants to argue in good faith can do the same.
No, it doesn’t work that way at all, actually. If you’re unwilling to support your case, then you can’t engage in any kind of meaningful discussion.
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### Author:  [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/19 "2010-06-07T17:40:58Z")
> [@pedescribe](#):
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> Well huh. I knew ivan was insane, but I didn’t realize he was _that_ insane. Learn something new every day.
I doubt that he is - this is just trolling.
Regards,
Shodan
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### Author:  [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)
#### Post date: [June 7, 2010, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/20 "2010-06-07T17:41:12Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> They don’t carry any information on the werewolf problem either.
Yes, because the military have long had an interest in werewolves.
Do try harder.
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