# xtisme, come on down, you muppet! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300 "2010-06-07T17:06:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/201 "2010-06-08T12:21:48Z")
Just a word of caution, for although reading through all the woo this thread’s advertisements can be fun, take great care if you come across the advertisement offering to “[NOT steal your kidneys](http://www.giraffeboards.com/),” for you might wake up in an ice bath missing something. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/202 "2010-06-08T12:23:22Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Retards of a feather, flock together. That’s what we’ve been trying to point out to you concerning yourself and your conspiracy theory. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/203 "2010-06-08T12:26:47Z")
I would be convinced that Ivan was trolling if not for a long and distinguished retarded posting history. Really, though - answer my question. Is there any sort of woo or conspiracy theory you don’t believe? CIA created aids to kill blacks and gays? Faith healers? Cars that run on water that have been suppressed by big oil? Telekinesis? Anything? ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Kobayashi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4af34b/32.png) [@Mr.Kobayashi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Kobayashi)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/204 "2010-06-08T12:29:06Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Retards of a feather, flock together. So…you don’t have any empirical evidence to present which supports your position? Then what justification do you have for believing it (other than a book based on conspiracy and anecdote), and how could you possibly convince a serious person of your claim? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/205 "2010-06-08T12:52:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I would be convinced that Ivan was trolling if not for a long and distinguished retarded posting history. Come on, give the neutrals a laugh. Show us some examples. > [@SenorBeef](#): > > Really, though - answer my question. Is there any sort of woo or conspiracy theory you don’t believe? CIA created aids to kill blacks and gays? Faith healers? Cars that run on water that have been suppressed by big oil? Telekinesis? Anything? How do you know when a politician or a military person on the tv are lying? You can see their lips move. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/206 "2010-06-08T12:55:38Z")
> [@Mr.Kobayashi](#): > > So…you don’t have any empirical evidence to present which supports your position? Then what justification do you have for believing it (other than a book based on conspiracy and anecdote), and how could you possibly convince a serious person of your claim? Of course I have no fucking empirical evidence! Would I be sat here typing out responses to people who aren’t interested in anything but exposing my foibles, when I shouldn’t even be the thing being evaluated, if I had conclusive proof? If circumstantial evidence is good enough for a court room, it should be adequate for the scientific community to at least treat the subject seriously. Which it probably would do, if everyone who declared an involvement with ufology wasn’t treated with ridicule and contempt. ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/207 "2010-06-08T12:59:18Z")
**NO LONGER A MYSTERY?** What if Everything We have been waiting for Is here In us, All around, Like the air we breathe, Only we’ve been too blind to see, To realize Life is what it is, No longer a mystery A hidden paradise up in the skies Far from our reach? What if One fine day This realization suddenly comes to you? What then? From [here.](http://www.gangsandkids.com/gstory2.html) Coincidence? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/208 "2010-06-08T13:00:04Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Come on, give the neutrals a laugh. Show us some examples. For a recent examples, all your posts [on this page](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=565892&page=2) are pretty damn stupid. > [@](#): > > How do you know when a politician or a military person on the tv are lying? > > You can see their lips move. Ok, so you believe everything then? The CIA created AIDS, the pharma companies purposely keep us sick when they could easily cure us, Exxon Mobil killed the guys who invented the car that runs on water, there are so many ways to cure yourself naturally - chew some bark, wear a magnetic bracelet, have someone perform healing touch. Remote viewing. Nasa faked the moon landing. Bigfoot. World leaders are actually lizard people. FUCKING TIMECUBE. All of this shit is the truth to you, right? You can’t identify a single thing that you’d call bullshit on? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/209 "2010-06-08T13:00:52Z")
Pointing to a conspiracy nut as being proof of your conspiracy for which you have no proof is not a proof. It is just Vibratory Real Divine Light masturbatuion. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/210 "2010-06-08T13:04:06Z")
The meta is that Ivan is an alien, using our reluctance to buy into woo to keep himself hidden from us. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/211 "2010-06-08T13:06:39Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > For a recent examples, all your posts [on this page](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=565892&page=2) are pretty damn stupid. > Ok, so you believe everything then? The CIA created AIDS, the pharma companies purposely keep us sick when they could easily cure us, Exxon Mobil killed the guys who invented the car that runs on water, there are so many ways to cure yourself naturally - chew some bark, wear a magnetic bracelet, have someone perform healing touch. Remote viewing. Nasa faked the moon landing. Bigfoot. World leaders are actually lizard people. FUCKING TIMECUBE. All of this shit is the truth to you, right? You can’t identify a single thing that you’d call bullshit on? Hmmm…that’s interesting that you could read all that into my previous response. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/212 "2010-06-08T13:08:53Z")
As for **Scumpup’s** cuntribution; anyone want to tell me what medication he is on? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/213 "2010-06-08T13:13:01Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > As for **Scumpup’s** cuntribution; anyone want to tell me what medication he is on? Occam’s razor: pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate. It is not a medication. It is an important element of rational thought. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/214 "2010-06-08T13:15:49Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Come on, give the neutrals a laugh. Show us some examples. The neutrals? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/215 "2010-06-08T13:19:36Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > The neutrals? A [Futurama](http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_Planet) planet. DOOP headquarters was built in orbit around it. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/216 "2010-06-08T13:21:13Z")
> [@Trion](#): > > The neutrals? Yes. They are very shy creatures, unlike yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/217 "2010-06-08T13:24:49Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > Occam’s razor: pluralitas non est ponenda sine necessitate. It is not a medication. It is an important element of rational thought. If we’d wielded Occam’s Razor everytime something outlandish was mentioned, where would quantum mechanics be now? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/218 "2010-06-08T13:26:16Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Hmmm…that’s interesting that you could read all that into my previous response. I asked you 3 times to identify some woo that you didn’t believe in. You repeatedly refused, and in the last post, said that anytime a government official is speaking, they’re lying. This implies that you do essentially believe any conspiracy theory levelled against the government at the very least. I’m trying to give you a chance to demonstrate that you aren’t a complete retard, and perhaps find some common ground on which we can discuss how to critically examine certain claims. You are refusing to cooperate, most likely because you are so weak minded that there isn’t any woo you wouldn’t believe. Don’t act as though I’m the one making presumptions here - I have repeatedly asked you to clarify your position and you’ve evaded. Any reasonable person here would interpret pretty much what I have. I think you’ve now turned into troll mode to save face. You started this thread and stated your views with sincerity, but now that they’ve met with universal ridicule, you’re going overboard the other way and trying to act like it was all trolling all along. I don’t really buy it - this is just what you’re like, and you’re clearly an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/219 "2010-06-08T13:31:07Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Yes. They are very shy creatures, unlike yourselves. Ivan, Futurama is fiction. The aliens on your TV screen in the Futurama show do not exist in reality. ---
**Author:** ![Trion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ccd318/32.png) [@Trion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trion)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/220 "2010-06-08T13:31:12Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > A [Futurama](http://futurama.wikia.com/wiki/Neutral_Planet) planet. DOOP headquarters was built in orbit around it. I’m ashamed to say I hadn’t thought of them. My first thought was of D&D alignment. Then I thought “The Neutrals” sounded like a band name. And what do you know? [It is.](http://www.theneutralsmusic.com/home.html) > [@ivan astikov](#): > > Yes. They are very shy creatures, unlike yourselves. Quite possibly the most wrong thing you’ve said yet. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300.md?page=12)