# xtisme, come on down, you muppet! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300 "2010-06-07T17:06:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/221 "2010-06-08T13:38:13Z")
I submit this thread as proof that it is damn near impossible to get banned for trolling. This train wreck has been going on for 5 pages now, without so much as a stated position by the OP. How anyone can claim intellectual superiority at this point is beyond me. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/222 "2010-06-08T13:41:17Z")
It comes down to having to decide if Ivan is a troll, or if Ivan really is as stupid as he portray’s himself to be. I figure both. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/223 "2010-06-08T13:41:22Z")
I agree that this looks like trolling, but much like people do parody/troll posts of extreme right wing OBAMA=CRYPTOCOMMINAZI rants, these aren’t really total exaggerations, but rather somewhat representative of the extreme end of real positions- there are people that are that dumb and wholeheartedly believe what seems too dumb to be real. I think that’s what’s going on here. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/224 "2010-06-08T13:45:18Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I agree that this looks like trolling, but much like people do parody/troll posts of extreme right wing OBAMA=CRYPTOCOMMINAZI rants, these aren’t really total exaggerations, but rather somewhat representative of the extreme end of real positions- there are people that are that dumb and wholeheartedly believe what seems too dumb to be real. I think that’s what’s going on here. What gives you the impression he wholeheartedly believes it? The passionate argument he put forth? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/225 "2010-06-08T13:45:47Z")
The thread title should swap out xtisme’s name for Ivan’s. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/226 "2010-06-08T13:47:19Z")
Yes Sigmund, you’ve probably hit the nail right on the head. But try using a hammer instead of a banana, next time. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/227 "2010-06-08T13:48:14Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > What gives you the impression he wholeheartedly believes it? The passionate argument he put forth? The drooling stupidity he puts forth at the SDMB and elsewhere suggests that he believes his own tripe, in the same way that dogs eat their own vomit. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/228 "2010-06-08T13:48:15Z")
**ivan** , if you really wanted to convince us, you’d present evidence rather than insults. The only thing you’ve offered us is “Just go read some obscure book by some crackpot that you’ve never heard of.” And then insult us if we don’t. Really, is that the best you’ve got? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/229 "2010-06-08T13:50:21Z")
[QUOTE=ivan’s friend] Refereed journals, to which scientists turn for their reliable information, carry virtually no information on the UFO problem. [/QUOTE] > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > They don’t carry any information on the werewolf problem either. _Star Wars_ was reviewed by numerous authorities, some of whom found it plausible. Does that count? ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/230 "2010-06-08T13:50:47Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > What gives you the impression he wholeheartedly believes it? The passionate argument he put forth? His posts in other threads suggest he’s basically a run of the mill woo true believer that’ll buy whatever you throw in front of him and call anyone skeptical of bullshit claims a bunch of hard-headed idiots who just can’t open their minds to the woo… This thread is consistent with that sort of weak minded mentality. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/231 "2010-06-08T13:58:12Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > His posts in other threads suggest he’s basically a run of the mill woo true believer that’ll buy whatever you throw in front of him and call anyone skeptical of bullshit claims a bunch of hard-headed idiots who just can’t open their minds to the woo… > > This thread is consistent with that sort of weak minded mentality. I humbly disagree. The true beleivers follow one of two patternd. They either post a single OP after stumbling upon the SDMB, or they stick around for a short period of time and passionately (yet badly) argue their side if things. This guy has managed to get a couple dozen people to call him an idiot for 5 pages, without so much as a single assertion. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/232 "2010-06-08T13:59:00Z")
Your amateur psycho **anal** ytical attempts are starting to get a little repetitive, \*\*SenorBeef \*\*, and amusingly enough, no more accurate either. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/233 "2010-06-08T14:02:31Z")
Your amateur attempts at getting a driver’s licence are starting to get a little repetitive, Ivan, and amusingly enough, no more successful either. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/234 "2010-06-08T14:04:41Z")
Hilarious. Got any more gems like that? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/235 "2010-06-08T14:14:48Z")
Sorry, pal, but in a thread focusing on whether you are a troll or stupid or both, knowing that you are middle aged, sponging off your mother, and unable to pass a driver’s exam, makes for useful data points. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/236 "2010-06-08T14:28:02Z")
As a realist, I would like to sincerely thank Ivan. Through his hard efforts he has convinced an entire message board _not_ to read a POS UFO/conspiracy theory book. He has done more to further the cause of skepticism in the last week than I ever could have. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/237 "2010-06-08T14:29:02Z")
Sponging off my mother, again? Why don’t you illustrate how you’ve come to that conclusion? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/238 "2010-06-08T14:32:21Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Sponging off my mother, again? Why don’t you illustrate how you’ve come to that conclusion? I _really_ could have done without the image of you attending to your mother’s bath needs, thankyouverymuch.:eek: ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/239 "2010-06-08T14:36:02Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > As a realist, I would like to sincerely thank Ivan. Through his hard efforts he has convinced an entire message board _not_ to read a POS UFO/conspiracy theory book. He has done more to further the cause of skepticism in the last week than I ever could have. **Czarcasm** , you are welcome to think of this book as a POS, but unless you actually admit to reading it, it doesn’t carry much weight on the scales of opinion. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/240 "2010-06-08T14:37:03Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > I _really_ could have done without the image of you attending to your mother’s bath needs, thankyouverymuch.:eek: Hey, it’s **Muffin** who’s obsessed with the idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300.md?page=13)