# xtisme, come on down, you muppet! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300 "2010-06-07T17:06:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/81 "2010-06-07T21:21:21Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Dude, that’s because UFO’s are _piloted_ by werewolves. … who, when visiting Earth, like to put their kids’ asses on restaurant tables while wearing nothing but a diaper. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/82 "2010-06-07T21:24:04Z")
Based on the responses to this thread, do you think I should value any particular member’s opinions over the detailed analysis by Mr Dolan? Nobody. How old do you think I am? **xtisme** was the one who claimed he would make me look stupid. I just opened the thread to give him the opportunity to prove himself capable. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/83 "2010-06-07T21:25:55Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > I’d like to nominate this post for most Unintentionally Self-Descriptive Post of all time. I think it’s got a real shot at the title. You’re such a raffish Giraffe. Go and find a use for that 18" prehensile tongue on **xtisme’s** arse. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/84 "2010-06-07T21:27:00Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Based on the responses to this thread, do you think I should value any particular member’s opinions over the detailed analysis by Mr Dolan? Yes. Every single one. > [@](#): > > Nobody. How old do you think I am? The credulous come from pretty much every demographic group, so I have no idea. > [@](#): > > **xtisme** was the one who claimed he would make me look stupid. I just opened the thread to give him the opportunity to prove himself capable. And yet you beat him to it. ---
**Author:** ![Ogre](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/ecb155/32.png) [@Ogre](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ogre)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/85 "2010-06-07T21:27:11Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Based on the responses to this thread, do you think I should value any particular member’s opinions over the detailed analysis by Mr Dolan? Because we haven’t been visited by aliens. Really, man. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/86 "2010-06-07T21:35:03Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Based on the responses to this thread, do you think I should value any particular member’s opinions over the detailed analysis by Mr Dolan? No one gives a shit what you believe. The problem comes when you post in threads where non-stupid people are having a conversation and expect anyone to take you seriously with nothing but allusions to “incontrovertible proof” in a book you read. No actual outlining of the facts behind said proof (though I’ll go out on a ledge and guess that it boils down to the author reading/hearing about an Official Report that said there were aliens – if it’s in an Official Report, it’s guaranteed to be true), no acceptance that people don’t typically accept random assertions without evidence, just the turd that was your post plopped into the punch bowl of an otherwise interesting thread. As long as you post like a retarded teenager, people are going to treat you like one. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/87 "2010-06-07T21:36:10Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > But between this thread and his participation in the “is causality bullshit?” thread where he trots out the old “oh scientists are just too closed minded to question their view of the world” bullshit, he’s pretty clearly an idiot. Maybe he’s just cogent on other topics causing me to miscategorize him. Nope, he’s simply an idiot. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/88 "2010-06-07T21:42:13Z")
So, I’m supposed to give more credence to a bunch of highly opinionated members of a messageboard, who offer no credentials other than an ability to be completely snarky twats? Jog on, you fuckwits. ---
**Author:** ![appleciders](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85f322/32.png) [@appleciders](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/appleciders)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/89 "2010-06-07T21:46:39Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Better than your sad attempts at making me look foolish. I’m sure you think you are being very successful with your witty repartee, and cutting comments, but I doubt you are impressing many others. I’m just popping in to note that I am not one of the silent majority who you think are on your side. I would encourage anyone who does agree with **ivan** to jump in, to prevent this from becoming an unfair pile on. ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/90 "2010-06-07T21:47:29Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] How old do you think I am? [/quote] Well, let’s see. I’m 36 now, but I read and believed _Chariotsof the Gods_ roughly two and half decades ago. So, if you’re like me, I guess you’re around ten or eleven. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/91 "2010-06-07T21:47:34Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] xtisme was the one who claimed he would make me look stupid. [/QUOTE] You know, I’d love to be able to claim super psychic powers or the ability to see into The Future™, but really this goes beyond even my imaginings. And, to give credit where credit is due, I truly couldn’t have done it without you, Ivan. You have been the star, the key player in fulfilling my claim. Couldn’t have done it without you man…_sniffle_…_stifled sob_… (_snort of derision and attempt to maintain a straight face_) -XT ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/92 "2010-06-07T21:48:55Z")
Don’t worry about me. I can handle a pile on without back-up. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/93 "2010-06-07T21:49:41Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > So, I’m supposed to give more credence to a bunch of highly opinionated members of a messageboard, who offer no credentials other than an ability to be completely snarky twats? > > Jog on, you fuckwits. You’re the one asserting that some obscure book that no one has ever heard of proves the most significant thing in mankind’s history, contact with intelligent life. You refuse to even provide an outline of any sort of argument for us to respond to. You feel that this is the default position of truth, and that you don’t have to attempt to prove this case, but that the burden of proof is on us to disprove it. Even if you fully believe that this book is indeed proof, you must understand that just in the realm of logical debate, your position is completely ridiculous, right? A rational, intelligent person in your position would be saying “ok, I know this extraordinary claim demands extraordinary proof, and here’s my case”, not “you idiots! you have no credibility to stand up to an author of an obscure book! HAHA I AM RIGHT” ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/94 "2010-06-07T21:51:57Z")
**xtisme** , despite your enthusiasm, you’re not very good at this making me look foolish lark. I suggest you go and attempt to steal sweets off children, or something a little easier for a man of your obviously limited capabilities. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/95 "2010-06-07T21:55:16Z")
I’m with Ivan on this one. That book was a real eye opener, illustrating a few things I had been having suspicions about regarding a few other things. xtisme, why dont you put up or shut up!. You dont like the books findings, then either debunk them or debunk yourself. I’d help, but I am debunking your mother. I also dont care what any of you think. If you havent seen the light regarding some or all of the things in the book, then you are muppets. With hands stuck up your arses. The hands of the government I bet, controlled by the aliens. Illegal aliens. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/96 "2010-06-07T21:56:29Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > You’re the one asserting that some obscure book that no one has ever heard of proves the most significant thing in mankind’s history, contact with intelligent life. You refuse to even provide an outline of any sort of argument for us to respond to. > > You feel that this is the default position of truth, and that you don’t have to attempt to prove this case, but that the burden of proof is on us to disprove it. > > Even if you fully believe that this book is indeed proof, you must understand that just in the realm of logical debate, your position is completely ridiculous, right? A rational, intelligent person in your position would be saying “ok, I know this extraordinary claim demands extraordinary proof, and here’s my case”, not “you idiots! you have no credibility to stand up to an author of an obscure book! HAHA I AM RIGHT” If you were interested in anything more than ridiculing the subject, you could have gone to Amazon and found all the information you ask for. Your lack of such basic research leads me to believe that sincerity might not be a strong point of yours. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/97 "2010-06-07T22:00:01Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > So, I’m supposed to give more credence to a bunch of highly opinionated members of a messageboard, who offer no credentials other than an ability to be completely snarky twats? You don’t have to give credence to anyone. No one’s really trying to convince you of anything here, mostly we’re just making fun of you. But don’t expect anyone to give you credence when you don’t make an argument or say anything meaningful. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/98 "2010-06-07T22:00:32Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I’m with Ivan on this one. That book was a real eye opener, illustrating a few things I had been having suspicions about regarding a few other things. > > xtisme, why dont you put up or shut up!. You dont like the books findings, then either debunk them or debunk yourself. I’d help, but I am debunking your mother. > > I also dont care what any of you think. If you havent seen the light regarding some or all of the things in the book, then you are muppets. With hands stuck up your arses. The hands of the government I bet, controlled by the aliens. Illegal aliens. You did say you accepted Paypal didn’t you? ---
**Author:** ![armedmonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/d6d6ee/32.png) [@armedmonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/armedmonkey)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/99 "2010-06-07T22:01:28Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > I am debunking your mother I had to do the same thing. The bitch kept eating crackers in bed. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 7, 2010, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/100 "2010-06-07T22:05:47Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > You don’t have to give credence to anyone. No one’s really trying to convince you of anything here, mostly we’re just making fun of you. > > But don’t expect anyone to give you credence when you don’t make an argument or say anything meaningful. What? So you expect me to laboriously type out a case from the book, so you lot can run your expert eyes over it and then proceed to make your rationalisations based on your current beliefs? Nah, I don’t really fancy that. As I’ve said, this publication seems to be the most serious approach to this subject I have ever encountered, and it needs to be read in full before it should be discussed by anyone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300.md?page=6)