# xtisme, come on down, you muppet! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2010, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300 "2010-06-07T17:06:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/161 "2010-06-08T01:31:17Z")
@ \*\*AMWAG \*\* Finally, common sense prevails. Had I really wanted to have my opinions exposed to reason by the razor-sharp minds of the Doper community, I \*\*would \*\* have opened a slightly more balanced thread in GD. But that would be too much like hard work and I’d still have had to open a Pit thread just to tell **xtisme** how much of a pompous dick he is at times. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/162 "2010-06-08T01:39:46Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > @ \*\*AMWAG > \*\* > Finally, common sense prevails. > > Had I really wanted to have my opinions exposed to reason by the razor-sharp minds of the Doper community, I \*\*would \*\* have opened a slightly more balanced thread in GD. But that would be too much like hard work and I’d still have had to open a Pit thread just to tell **xtisme** how much of a pompous dick he is at times. Ah. So, would it be accurate to say that you never expected your initial post in GD to generate any real debate, and only placed it there as an excuse to open a pit thread and invite the Teeming Millions to stop by and heap abuse on you? ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/163 "2010-06-08T01:42:10Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I didn’t say it _was_ important to you. I’m trying to describe why it _should_ be important to you. > > Look, a few simple questions: > > You think aliens have visited the Earth, right? > > You think more people should understand this simple fact, right? > > Specifically, you think the people on this website should understand this fact, right? > > So, why are you behaving in a manner that’s absolutely guaranteed to make people dismiss everything you have to say? How does that help you achieve any of your first three goals up there? Wouldn’t it make much more sense to post here in such a way that people are _more_ likely to listen to and think about your ideas? I’d be satisfied if my mentioning of the book only gained it one more reader. I think it is an important and informative book. You are entitled to believe differently, despite you having never read it. I’ve seen how headache-inducing it is trying to convince a die-hard skeptic( Funnily enough, they never seem to be too skeptical when the sources agree with their world view.) to accept information contrary to their beliefs, endlessly and anally going over and over petty details. Life’s too short for that shit. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/164 "2010-06-08T01:46:36Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Ah. So, would it be accurate to say that you never expected your initial post in GD to generate any real debate, and only placed it there as an excuse to open a pit thread and invite the Teeming Millions to stop by and heap abuse on you? No, it would be more accurate to say that I opened the thread so **xtisme** could come and impress me with his knowledge on ufo’s. And so I could call him names if he was his usual annoying self. I misread your post slightly, but your assumption is still wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/165 "2010-06-08T01:51:00Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > There’s a great big difference between typing out words that spring to mind instantly, and having to accurately type out long, detailed passages from a book. If you can’t see that difference, I don’t know how to help you. So don’t post what springs to mind. Post a summary. Then this thread can wear shorts and flip flops and go to the beach. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/166 "2010-06-08T01:53:57Z")
[QUOTE=ivan astikov] But that would be too much like hard work and I’d still have had to open a Pit thread just to tell xtisme how much of a pompous dick he is at times. [/QUOTE] You should have just said that instead of all this other screwing about. I AM a pompous dick at times…hell, often. I doubt you would have gotten much argument and you would have spared yourself all this humiliation. > [@](#): > > No, it would be more accurate to say that I opened the thread so xtisme could come and impress me with his knowledge on ufo’s. And so I could call him names if he was his usual annoying self. Horseshit. If you really wanted such a discussion you would have started one in GD where I would have been happy to respond, and where any number of additional 'dopers would have been glad to chime in. Instead, you chose to open your thread in the Pit, which is pretty telling. It’s also telling that you waited until the 4th page to get around to what you REALLY wanted to say…which was to call me a pompous dick. Next time don’t pussyfoot around…just say what you mean. And if you REALLY want to have a discussion/debate, then next time try manning up and opening your thread in GD. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Scumpup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ce73a5/32.png) [@Scumpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scumpup)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/167 "2010-06-08T01:55:02Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I know I’m cute; I’ve been told that many a time.. That is, no doubt, why you were such a popular cellmate. That and the buttsecks. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/168 "2010-06-08T02:00:54Z")
Oh, now you pop in, just as I decide to hit the sack! Let’s see how you like being kept waiting. Nite, nite, chaps and chapesses. ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/169 "2010-06-08T02:02:39Z")
Aw. I’m already bored with waiting. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/170 "2010-06-08T02:03:20Z")
> [@Scumpup](#): > > That is, no doubt, why you were such a popular cellmate. That and the buttsecks. Couldn’t miss a bit of banter with my least favourite Doper tho’. How ya doin’, fuckfeatures? Have you took out your hatred of me on any nasty punks lately? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/171 "2010-06-08T02:14:51Z")
You should print this thread and let your mother read it. ---
**Author:** ![Shmendrik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Shmendrik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shmendrik)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/172 "2010-06-08T02:23:54Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I know I’m cute; I’ve been told that many a time. How about convincing the impartial bystander of my stupidity? > > I’m sure there are many examples among my 6,000+ posts. There are indeed many examples of your stupidity ivan, but one of my most favorite and least political is this [one](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=481667). This was the thread which really got me hooked on the SDMB, for which you have my thanks. You steadfastly resist and blunder about as poster after poster tries to explain simple high school level Newtonian physics to you. This was the first time I noticed your user name; when I read the thread, I was not aware that you were a bigoted conspiracy theory mongering antisemitic ass hat. Of course, as I read more of your posts about 9/11, aliens, and most of all the Jooooos, I found them all the more amusing in light of your demonstrated scientific illiteracy. I have literally laughed out loud as you expound on the finer points of WTC metallurgy, as I picture the ignorant twat who utter such gems as: > [@](#): > > The word ‘tend’ also implies there is an exception to the rule. Is there? And how does gravity - a force capable only of accelerating a mass to a maximum of 100 m per sec - overcome a force that is propelling an object at 300 m per sec, as though it is motionless? And: > [@Dropping a bullet in a non-vacuum](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dropping-a-bullet-in-a-non-vacuum/461975/36): > > > [@Dropping a bullet in a non-vacuum](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dropping-a-bullet-in-a-non-vacuum/461975/36): > > > > Gravity acts on both bullets the same way. > > But it obviously doesn’t! When the bullet that is fired leaves the barrel of the gun, it doesn’t begin to move downwards unless it is pointed in that direction. Are you saying there is no maintaining of a specific height before the bullet starts its downward arc? In all fairness, this may demonstrate your ignorance rather than your stupidity. However, when an admitted ignoramus insists that their asinine conspiracy theories are scientifically correct, that’s stupidity. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/173 "2010-06-08T02:36:53Z")
As you say, in fairness I suppose this might not be intuitive (it is to me, but then I had high school physics…it’s not intuitive to some friends of mine, however, who were surprised when they demonstrated this concept on Mythbusters). Ignorance doesn’t necessarily equal stupidity…it’s just a lack of knowledge. I never saw that thread, but it did seem to be taking a lot of effort to get what I’d say is a basic concept across to him. Of course, I remember a couple of GQ threads I started that quickly devolved into various 'dopers demonstrating that, despite 3 years of college physics I’m pretty ignorant too. 😛 -XT ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/174 "2010-06-08T02:44:11Z")
He’s 47 and still flunking his driver’s test. I’m going with stupid. Very stupid. ---
**Author:** ![SenorBeef](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senorbeef/32/2220_2.png) [@SenorBeef](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SenorBeef)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/175 "2010-06-08T02:57:29Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > I’ve seen how headache-inducing it is trying to convince a die-hard skeptic( Funnily enough, they never seem to be too skeptical when the sources agree with their world view.) to accept information contrary to their beliefs, endlessly and anally going over and over petty details. Life’s too short for that shit. Whenever you hear someone say something like this, you can with 100% confidence know they’re an idiot. Every time. Basically, the logic goes “Skeptic’s claim to be interested in the truth. I know aliens/telepathy/exploding anuses are real, and they refuse to accept my evidence, therefore they aren’t really interested in the truth and are as hard headed as anyone else!” Seriously, 100%. One of the most sure things in the world. I do enjoy how he keeps telling us about how we’re making fools of ourselves, even though no one has even remotely defended him and everyone has joined in to mock him further. I’m curious as to who he thinks we’re making fools of ourselves _to_. ---
**Author:** ![Fenris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fenris/32/498_2.png) [@Fenris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fenris)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/176 "2010-06-08T03:04:43Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > Come to think of it, werewolves **would** have some military potential . . . See Poul Anderson’s _Operation Chaos_. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/177 "2010-06-08T03:21:38Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Analysis of the returns shows that older scientists are markedly more negative to the problem than are younger scientists > > Fortunately, they’ll all be dead at some point. Of course, at some point, so will the younger ones–and there still won’t be any extra-terrestials running around this planet, (just yetis and sasquatches). ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/178 "2010-06-08T03:23:15Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > And if you REALLY want to have a discussion/debate, then next time try manning up and opening your thread in GD. Y’know, I really don’t remember Marley or I pissing in your cornflakes. ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/179 "2010-06-08T03:25:48Z")
> [@SenorBeef](#): > > I’m curious as to who he thinks we’re making fools of ourselves _to_. The aliens. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2010, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300/180 "2010-06-08T03:46:13Z")
> [@Muffin](#): > > He’s 47 and still flunking his driver’s test. I’m going with stupid. Very stupid. Just because he’s not one of these self-important know-it-all pricks who has the time to read something and then answer questions about it doesn’t make him stupid. He’s just busy, OK? Really, super busy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/xtisme-come-on-down-you-muppet/542300.md?page=10)