# Y'all come in. I'll make you religious (unless you wish otherwise of course) **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [November 13, 2007, 5:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-come-in-ill-make-you-religious-unless-you-wish-otherwise-of-course/426214 "2007-11-13T05:00:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 3\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 7:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-come-in-ill-make-you-religious-unless-you-wish-otherwise-of-course/426214/21 "2007-11-14T07:07:39Z")
[QUOTE=AHunter3] Is it not possible that, as with your miscommunication with _Indistinguishable_ above, you’re kind of missing the point somewhere in here while operating under the confident assumption that you aren’t? [/quote] I doubt it. I’m not the only one who doesn’t think your OP is all that profound. [QUOTE=AHunter3] > [@Der Trihs](#): > > What “natural” God could even exist ? Once you start talking about real, as opposed to supernatural things, you start running into pesky things like logic and physical laws. If you wish to assert that Goodness does not exist, I am ready and willing to read your argument to that effect. [/quote] I said nothing of the sort. I simply don’t find your attempts to equate “god” and “good” remotely plausible; there’s no innate connection between the two terms. “Evil God” is not an oxymoron. And “God does not exist” is not the same thing as “Goodness does not exist”. And claiming it does is highly insulting to the unbelievers of the world, not to mention people who don’t believe in a single God. ---
**Author:** ![Staggerlee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/staggerlee/32/3134_2.png) [@Staggerlee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Staggerlee)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-come-in-ill-make-you-religious-unless-you-wish-otherwise-of-course/426214/22 "2007-11-14T10:13:42Z")
[QUOTE=AHunter3] And if we’re stipulating that there is no “supernatural” the term “mundane” is useless infofar as (at least as you appear to be using it) it refers to things that are “not supernatural”, which by our mutually agreed-upon definition means “everything”. Everything is mundane in that sense. [/QUOTE] I wasn’t wanting to dispense with the theoretical concept of the supernatural - as you say, without it, ‘mundane’ becomes meaningless. I was using ‘mundane’ to mean ‘earthly’ and ‘physical’. And suggesting that if ‘Goodness’ is a human descriptor of a particular behaviour, or aesthetic, and humans are capable of independently being good, then ‘God’ is left as a redundant and inaccurate synonym for ‘Goodness’. [QUOTE=AHunter3] “All”? [/QUOTE] Obviously when I say “all I’m left with is mundane Goodness” I’m not trying to disparage all earthly goodness, just saying that compared to the idea of an all-powerful God bestowing his Goodness on the earth, it’s a bit unremarkable… ---
**Author:** ![AHunter3](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ahunter3/32/368_2.png) [@AHunter3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AHunter3)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-come-in-ill-make-you-religious-unless-you-wish-otherwise-of-course/426214/23 "2007-11-14T20:52:06Z")
I don’t find it to be so at all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-come-in-ill-make-you-religious-unless-you-wish-otherwise-of-course/426214.md?page=1)