# Y'all Queda will never get it: SOCAS violation--again--in Tennessee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022 "2022-02-07T02:35:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/21 "2022-02-08T16:08:26Z")
> [@WolfpackJeep](#): > > We never had any religious text as literature courses though; I guess that’s a new thing? There’s a conservative religious organization that has created this class and its curriculum. They then pay schools to teach the class to students. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/22 "2022-02-08T16:15:50Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I think the fashionable notion of trying to rescue the bible on the basis that “it may not be literally true, but it’s a great work of literature” really needs to be retired. It is as worthless a piece of literature as it is a source of truth or moral insight. If it did’t have such immense religious significance there is absolutely no chance it would be taught as literature. It’s worthy of study only for its cultural significance, not for its literary merit. I think that notion has always been a bullshit, backdoor way of teaching the bible in public schools. It’s a different story in college programs, because it’s important for understanding the context of virtually every important piece of English literature, but even there it’s more about the cultural significance than the merits of the work itself. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/23 "2022-02-08T21:34:29Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > …it’s important for understanding the context of virtually every important piece of English literature… This. Shucks, you need a decent grasp of the Bible in order to fully understand a lot of movies, or The Simpsons. And frankly I don’t think it will be long before the same can be said for the Harry Potter series. ---
**Author:** ![dropzone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dropzone/32/7515_2.png) [@dropzone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dropzone)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/24 "2022-02-08T21:38:33Z")
In what way is the Bible remotely literature? Utter gibberish. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/25 "2022-02-08T21:44:12Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > I don’t think it will be long before the same can be said for the Harry Potter series. Are you saying that you need a decent grasp of the Bible to understand Harry Potter, or that you will need a decent grasp of Harry Potter to understand virtually every important piece of English literature? ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/26 "2022-02-08T21:49:21Z")
Neither ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/27 "2022-02-08T21:56:09Z")
Well, you can’t dispute the cultural significance of the Bible. There are about a dozen passages advocating eating your own children (albeit only under specific circumstances). That’s presumably why some of the devout don’t find it far-fetched that _opposition_ to their theocratic fantasies is coordinated by a cabal of cannibalistic pedophiles. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/28 "2022-02-08T21:57:38Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > I’ve taken courses on the Bible as literature, taught by Christians, Jews, and atheists, and none had a problem keeping their personal biases out of the coursework. This was in the northeast, and things might well be different in the deep south, but it’s certainly possible to do. Agreed. I went to college at a Baptist university in Texas and took a religion class taught by a guy whose last name was Christian. He did not proselytize or attempt in the least to try to convince anyone that the Bible is actually true. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/29 "2022-02-08T21:58:55Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > He did not proselytize or attempt in the least to try to convince anyone that the Bible is actually true. I mean, if you wanted to convince someone that the Bible is true, the _last_ thing you’d do is encourage them to actually read it. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/30 "2022-02-08T22:14:32Z")
Was this at a college level or a high school level? I would expect a professor of literature to have a stronger interest in maintaining objective academic rigor, as opposed to your average high school teacher who may see their role more as that of guiding young minds on their path to adulthood. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/31 "2022-02-08T23:49:06Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Shucks, you need a decent grasp of the Bible in order to fully understand a lot of movies, or The Simpsons. I learned about this book today: [![](https://images.booksense.com/images/196/224/9780664224196.jpg) ](https://images.booksense.com/images/196/224/9780664224196.jpg) I’ll pass though. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/32 "2022-02-09T00:40:18Z")
Heh. I think it was 45 years ago that I read _God, Man, and Archie Bunker._ ---
**Author:** ![HelenGawn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a88e4f/32.png) [@HelenGawn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HelenGawn)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/33 "2022-02-09T07:39:46Z")
If it’s the one I’m thinking of, the son of some friends who were raised Christian but not particularly observant went there. He took a few such courses, including classes wholly devoted to the study of a single religion for the entire term. He ultimately converted to Islam and has had a very happy life. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/34 "2022-02-09T08:09:53Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I learned about this book today: That book was _The Gospel According to the Simpsons_. But years before, back in 1965, we had _The Gospel According to Peanuts_: > **[The Gospel According to Peanuts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gospel_According_to_Peanuts)** > > The Gospel According to Peanuts is a 1965 book written by Robert L. Short about Charles M. Schulz's Peanuts comic strip. The book is based on Short's use of the Peanuts characters to illustrate his lectures about the Christian Gospel. > The book was a best seller and sold over 10 million copies. Summary: > While Charlie Brown, Snoopy, Lucy, Linus, and the rest of the Peanuts gang have enjoyed the kind of success most cartoon characters can only dream about—becoming pop culture icons of the highest ... I recall having to read that one for our church’s Sunday school in about 1970 or so. But it wasn’t for real school, just our Sunday school at church. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/35 "2022-02-09T09:59:13Z")
> **[LOLCat Bible Translation Project](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOLCat_Bible_Translation_Project)** > > Oh hai. In teh beginnin Ceiling Cat maded teh skiez An da Urfs, but he did not eated dem. > Da Urfs no had shapez An haded dark face, An Ceiling Cat rode invisible bike over teh waterz. > The LOLCat Bible Translation Project was a wiki-based website set up in July 2007 by Martin Grondin, where editors aim to parody the entire Bible in "LOLspeak", the slang popularized by the LOLcat Internet phenomenon. The project relies on contributors to adapt passages. As of March 27, 2008, approximately 61% of ... ---
**Author:** ![mjmartin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/3d9bf3/32.png) [@mjmartin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mjmartin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/36 "2022-02-09T22:31:57Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > Court case after court case after court case continue to show that preaching in public schools is a violation of the constitution. And why must we have so many court cases on the very same issue? It’s because the Y’all Queda yokels just refuse to accept it. What will it take to convince them? Ah, that’s the dilemma! They can’t help themselves. Students are a captive audenience that can’t protest, talk back or leave. Here is more of the same from West Virginia. [https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/christian-revival-school-prompts-student-walkout-wva-82765607](https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/christian-revival-school-prompts-student-walkout-wva-82765607) ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/37 "2022-02-09T23:04:09Z")
> [@mjmartin](#): > > Students are a captive audenience that can’t protest, talk back or leave. My dad is a college professor (or was, I guess, teaching IT at a technical college). I used to joke that it was his dream job; he got to talk for an hour, people were forced to listen to him, and on top of it all he got paid. 😆 ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/38 "2022-02-10T06:47:05Z")
> **[Definition of LITERATURE](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/literature)** > > writings in prose or verse; especially : writings having excellence of form or expression and expressing ideas of permanent or universal interest; an example of such writings; the body of writings on a particular subject… See the full definition ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/39 "2022-02-10T16:46:17Z")
What in the world are you talking about? The only mentions of baby-eating I can think of are in Lamentations, where it’s used to illustrate the horrors of famine, certainly not “advocating” it. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/40 "2022-02-10T16:46:49Z")
Your posts frequently suggest to me that you yourself are not particularly familiar with the text. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022.md?page=3)