# Y'all Queda will never get it: SOCAS violation--again--in Tennessee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022 "2022-02-07T02:35:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/41 "2022-02-10T16:48:42Z")
I bought _The Gospel According to Peanuts_ when I was a kid too young to understand it wasn’t a real Peanuts book, and was severely disappointed. Archie pulled the same bait and switch… ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/42 "2022-02-10T16:55:38Z")
I have no problem saying it’s important to study the Bible. Knowing the context for many of America’s most powerful political movements is crucial to understanding the country. Understanding our history without reading the Bible would be like trying to understanding the history of the People’s Republic of China without reading Mao’s Little Red Book. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/43 "2022-02-10T17:03:48Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > What in the world are you talking about? The only mentions of baby-eating I can think of are in Lamentations, where it’s used to illustrate the horrors of famine, certainly not “advocating” it. > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Your posts frequently suggest to me that you yourself are not particularly familiar with the text. > **[10 Bible verses about Cannibalism](https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Cannibalism)** > > A topical Bible which shows the most relevant Bible verse for each topic > Then you shall eat the offspring of your own body, the flesh of your sons and of your daughters whom the Lord your God has given you, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you. > Further, you will eat the flesh of your sons and the flesh of your daughters you will eat. > I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters etc., etc. Are you also unfamiliar with God’s psychopathic tendency to smite at the least provocation? Also his affinity for beetles. Smiting and beetles seem to occupy much of his attention, I grant that advocating eating your own children is only a side-gig. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/44 "2022-02-10T17:04:52Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Are you saying that you need a decent grasp of the Bible to understand Harry Potter, or that you will need a decent grasp of Harry Potter to understand virtually every important piece of English literature? You need a decent grasp of Harry Potter to understand the Bible. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/45 "2022-02-10T17:09:24Z")
Yes, and? All those passages use cannibalism in the same way, as an archetypal illustration of the horrors to which people can be driven by extreme famine. Where do you get “advocating?” I’m certainly not denying that the Bible DOES advocate lots of stuff that’s horrific by modern standards, but this particular charge seems off base. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/46 "2022-02-10T17:11:01Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Where do you get “advocating?” That would be in the “you shall” and the “you will” and “I will make them” parts. But perhaps my skills at exegesis are less sophisticated than yours. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/47 "2022-02-10T17:19:57Z")
I think it’s pretty clear that all those "you will"s are used in the future tense, not the command voice. It’s not saying “you SHOULD eat your kids”, it’s saying “you will be in a position where you won’t be able to resist doing so”. I don’t know Hebrew well enough to say whether the ambiguity of the English translation is also present in the original. I’m certainly not aware of any Jewish or Christian source that interprets these verses as commands. Which is kind of the point; if you want to know what religious people think, you have to actually ask them. If you, as a person unfamiliar with the cultural and theological background of the text, pull some translated verses of Scripture completely out of context and say “Aha! This is what you REALLY believe!”, all you do is look like a fool. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/48 "2022-02-10T17:25:22Z")
Which is precisely the value of well-taught “Bible as Literature” type courses; just like the works of Homer, Beowulf or Gilgamesh, and even Shakespeare, a modern English speaker isn’t going to be able to make any sense out of a straight translation, much less appreciate it for its literary merits. You need extensive footnotes and a good teacher to give you the background to appreciate the text on its own terms. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/49 "2022-02-10T17:26:08Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Which is kind of the point; if you want to know what religious people think, you have to actually ask them. - No, you don’t. They’ll _tell_ you. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/50 "2022-02-10T17:26:50Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > Which is precisely the value of well-taught “Bible as Literature” type courses; just like the works of Homer, Beowulf or Gilgamesh, and even Shakespeare, a modern English speaker isn’t going to be able to make any sense out of a straight translation, much less appreciate it for its literary merits. You need extensive footnotes and a good teacher to give you the background to appreciate the text on its own terms. Which is exactly what the people pushing for these classes are NOT looking for. They want indoctrination, pure and simple. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/51 "2022-02-10T17:28:13Z")
Oh yes, I agree that the class discussed in the OP is a complete travesty on both pedagogical and Constitutional levels. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/52 "2022-02-10T17:30:54Z")
There goes my home state, makin’ me proud, again! Of course, I’m being facetious. I’m really tired of this religious shit! ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/53 "2022-02-10T17:35:07Z")
> [@gytalf2000](#): > > I’m really tired of this religious shit! - Now you’re just preaching to the choir. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/54 "2022-02-10T17:39:54Z")
Amen ta all that, brother! ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/55 "2022-02-10T17:43:20Z")
> [@Thing.Fish](#): > > I think it’s pretty clear that all those "you will"s are used in the future tense, not the command voice. It’s not saying “you SHOULD eat your kids”, it’s saying “you will be in a position where you won’t be able to resist doing so”. That seems like a fine distinction, when an omnipotent God could clearly avoid condemning them to such dire straits altogether. And _eating your own children_ is hardly something that would occur to psychologically healthy people, even in a siege. Why is God so pathologically focused on this outcome? Wouldn’t psychologically healthy people usually do the opposite - give all available food to their children, and risk starving themselves? And you conveniently ignored these: > **I will make them** eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters > Therefore, fathers will eat their sons among you, and sons will eat their fathers; for **I will execute judgments on you** and scatter all your remnant to every wind. So God is fine with _letting_ his people starve in a siege, and has a bizarre and unnatural obsession with the idea that people starving in a siege will specifically _eat their own children_. And he also thinks it’s perfectly justifiable to _punish_ naughty people by forcing them to eat their own children. Perhaps “advocating” was not the perfect word for all this. But if you think the fine distinction in meaning exonerates God’s psychotic inscestuous-cannibalism fetish, I commend your faith in his benevolent intentions. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 6:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/56 "2022-02-10T18:04:06Z")
Don’t forget the _It’s okay to dash the brains of the children of your enemies out against a wall_ part to say nothing of raping their wives. Of course, that’s God 1.0, not 2.0 so it’s all good. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/57 "2022-02-10T18:05:53Z")
Yeah, those Jews sure are bastards! ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/58 "2022-02-10T18:17:08Z")
Slaying all enemies, children and cattle included, was Bronze Age SOP. But yes, giving the Philistines hemorrhoids was pretty bastard there. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/59 "2022-02-10T18:22:13Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > Slaying all enemies, children and cattle included, was Bronze Age SOP. Surely you’re not implying that this means the content of the Bible comes from Bronze Age _people_ rather than the immortal and benevolent mind of God? ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/60 "2022-02-10T18:23:45Z")
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