# Y'all Queda will never get it: SOCAS violation--again--in Tennessee **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 7, 2022, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022 "2022-02-07T02:35:37Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/81 "2022-02-10T20:20:43Z")
> [@HMS\_Irruncible](#): > > There’s a story about cannibalism. How do we know whether it endorses cannibalism, or condemns it, or is just part of another story? Depends on how delicious your neighbor is looking today. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/82 "2022-02-10T20:23:49Z")
Yes, but He is also “good to all His creations, and His compassion extends over all His works!” This thing really needs an editor. Seriously, the idea that the OT God isn’t (sometimes) portrayed as universally loving and compassionate is just Christian BS. At least He isn’t condemning anyone to eternal torment in Hell. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/83 "2022-02-10T20:33:31Z")
That is a pleading, a prayer. It’s not saying God is good to everything, it is a prayer in a song of prayers - ‘may God be good to all His creations…’. ETA: Found it. Psalm 145:9 > טוֹב־יְהֹוָ֥ה לַכֹּ֑ל וְ֝רַחֲמָ֗יו עַל־כׇּל־מַעֲשָֽׂיו ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/84 "2022-02-10T20:40:18Z")
Every translation I’ve ever seen renders it as a declarative sentence. I’m not fluent in Hebrew, but it seems pretty straightforward and I don’t see where the “pleading” comes in. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/85 "2022-02-10T20:44:45Z")
I mean the entire chapter is a prayer, literally attributed to David, rather than something considered the word of God. And then you get into theodicy, the Old Testament approach is to define goodness as what God does, rendering that line kind of tautologic. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/86 "2022-02-10T20:49:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > > [@Thing.Fish](#): > > > > If we look at the subset of fools who subscribe to “Biblical literalism”, they believe a lot of stupid stuff like Young Earth Creationism and whatnot; but they DON’T believe in practicing cannibalism. > > Right. > > That’s Catholics. “Just swallow the communion wafer. If it sticks to the roof of your mouth, don’t use your finger! Wait…what are you doing? YOU’RE CHEWING JESUS!” ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/87 "2022-02-10T20:50:01Z")
> [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > YOU’RE CHEWING JESUS!” Mmmmm… toenails. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/88 "2022-02-10T21:09:16Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > As **DesertDog** wrote, you’re thinking of God 2.0. The God 1.0 of the Old Testament, which you quoted, was not a benevolent God but, in His own words, a jealous God who visits the iniquities of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate Him, who only shows love and kindness to those who love Him and keep his commandments. (read: holds grudges and is only kind towards the obedient) I know you don’t mean it, but all this talk of “God 1.0” vs. “God. 2.0” smacks of classic medieval antisemitism. It’s saying that _Jewish_ God was evil and nasty, while the _Christian_ God is merciful and good. It’s offensive. In fact, all the talk in this thread insulting my people’s national epic is deeply disquieting. Just because some white people have appropriated my culture’s foundational text without our permission, doesn’t give you the right to mock it. If you have a problem with Christians then attack them, not us. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/89 "2022-02-10T21:12:08Z")
100% agree, although I’m pretty sure Max actually identifies as Jewish. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/90 "2022-02-10T21:50:35Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > > [@Slithy\_Tove](#): > > > > YOU’RE CHEWING JESUS!” > > Mmmmm… toenails. Heel calluses. Like the Son of God never even _HEARD_ of exfoliating. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/91 "2022-02-10T21:55:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > …classic medieval antisemitism. It’s saying that _Jewish_ God was evil and nasty, while the _Christian_ God is merciful and good. I can appreciate how this is a more modern antisemitic trope. But classic _medieval_ antisemitism? Did anyone really have a problem with all the Old Testament smiting in that era? I thought they embraced it (even if they did not _expect_ it…) ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/92 "2022-02-10T21:58:22Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I know you don’t mean it, but all this talk of “God 1.0” vs. “God. 2.0” smacks of classic medieval antisemitism. It’s saying that _Jewish_ God was evil and nasty, while the _Christian_ God is merciful and good. It’s offensive. It _is_ medieval antisemitism, or at least approaches some forms of Gnosticism, which I meant tongue-in-cheek, and apologize for. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/93 "2022-02-10T22:07:09Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I can appreciate how this is a more modern antisemitic trope. But classic _medieval_ antisemitism? Did anyone really have a problem with all the Old Testament smiting in that era? I thought they embraced it (even if they did not _expect_ it…) There have been a lot of Christian sects and heresies over the years, a lot which believed some pretty crazy stuff. The Gnostics’ belief system, for example, held that the God of the Old Testament, who created the physical world, was a rogue servant of the “true” (Christian) God, who had intended creation to be purely spiritual. Christianity is meant to be a way to save us from the trap of the physical world and escape the clutches of the “Demiurge.” You can likely extrapolate from there how the Gnostics felt about Jews. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2022, 10:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/94 "2022-02-10T22:13:03Z")
@Riemann, if interested here is information on one such religion, courtesy of historian James McDonald: [https://www.cathar.info/](https://www.cathar.info/) ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/95 "2022-02-11T00:00:00Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > I can appreciate how this is a more modern antisemitic trope. But classic _medieval_ antisemitism? Did anyone really have a problem with all the Old Testament smiting in that era? I thought they embraced it (even if they did not _expect_ it…) Correct me if I’m wrong, but I was under the impression that the Old Testament has always been more of a Protestant obsession, while the Catholics have tended to focus more on the NT. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/96 "2022-02-11T00:09:32Z")
Catholics focus on saints, martyrs, and why can’t you be one too. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/97 "2022-02-11T00:10:05Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > And _eating your own children_ is hardly something that would occur to psychologically healthy people, even in a siege. Why is God so pathologically focused on this outcome? Wouldn’t psychologically healthy people usually do the opposite - give all available food to their children, and risk starving themselves? Food insecurity and starvation can often cause psychological damage to those who suffer from it. i.e. If you’re starving to death you’re probably not psychologically healthy. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/98 "2022-02-11T00:17:53Z")
No doubt. And no doubt many such horrific things have actually occurred in human history. But is it typical that people starving in a siege would _specifically_ eat their own children? Is it psychologically healthy to be focused on such a thing when _discussing_ people’s fate in a _hypothetical_ siege? Is there anything a human could do that could possibly justify deliberately condemning to the specific punishment of eating their own children? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/99 "2022-02-11T00:22:21Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > s there anything a human could do that could possibly justify deliberately condemning to the specific punishment of eating their own children? I wanted to say nothing. But then I remembered all the kids sitting behind me when I went to see the Dawn of the Dead remake in 2004 and now I’m not so sure. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2022, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022/100 "2022-02-11T00:35:16Z")
I think we already have the answer as to what genre of literature the Bible is. From the link in the OP: > [@](#): > > “The teacher told them a story about an atheist student who took the class to ‘prove it wrong’ and later ended up ‘realizing it was true,’ which is certainly not in line with teaching the text as literature,” Russo wrote. It’s a [chain letter](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_letter)! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-queda-will-never-get-it-socas-violation-again-in-tennessee/959022.md?page=6)