# y'all wypipo need to grow some skin **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [July 6, 2018, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434 "2018-07-06T21:35:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/101 "2018-07-07T19:44:18Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It sucks that, to be a full SJW anti-racist, anti-bigotry, pro-feminist, progressive, socialist, and moral person that I have to fight against someone who I am trying to help. You don’t have to, though. You could, instead, listen. You could recognize that your own biases may make it hard for you to understand what others say, and that it’s more valuable for you to pay attention without bickering than it is to shout your truth from the hilltops _yet again_. If you decide to fight, that’s not something you have to do. That’s a decision you make and a decision you’re responsible for. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/102 "2018-07-07T19:49:00Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You don’t have to, though. You could, instead, listen. You could recognize that your own biases may make it hard for you to understand what others say, and that it’s more valuable for you to pay attention without bickering than it is to shout your truth from the hilltops _yet again_. > > If you decide to fight, that’s not something you have to do. That’s a decision you make and a decision you’re responsible for. You need to dial back the whole “reasonable and respectful adulting” thing, pal. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/103 "2018-07-07T20:03:42Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > You don’t have to, though. You could, instead, listen. You could recognize that your own biases may make it hard for you to understand what others say, and that it’s more valuable for you to pay attention without bickering than it is to shout your truth from the hilltops _yet again_. > > If you decide to fight, that’s not something you have to do. That’s a decision you make and a decision you’re responsible for. As I was tangentially pointing out, Dribble is not an African American and he has a little less to lose by throwing bombs in American race relations discussions. I’m sure his experiences contain some useful insight for Americans but that’s doesn’t seem to be what he mostly shares in these dicussions. ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/104 "2018-07-07T20:08:53Z")
Maybe he identifies as a Blackenstein, you don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/105 "2018-07-07T20:10:01Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And literally everything in that post applies equally to the n-word. Nigger’s derogatory and kind of racist towards whites now? Man, white privilege really does cover everything. Or did you mean a different sort of “literally”, you boring bufoon? > [@](#): > > Yes, I do believe that, considering it is the factual case. Now, I want to get this clear, so there’s no doubt, so I’m going to ask again: You think the issue with “nigger” is \*\*just \*\*that the word itself has a history of being used derogatorily? You don’t think who said it historically, to whom they said it, and the relationship between those two groups both then and now, is of \*any \*relevance? Is “factual” another word, like “literally”, that means something different in Bloviating Idiot Land? > [@](#): > > I don’t have your back. This is not news. > [@](#): > > I do, however, have the back of your minority group No, you really don’t. You don’t even really know anything about my minority group. > [@](#): > > , and will continue to fight even as you actively choose to make everything worse. That’s mighty white of you, to take up such a burden, man. > [@](#): > > The idea that you think being “woke” is a real thing just shows how little you care about reality. Like I said - show-liberal. > [@](#): > > You’re talking about a term used to make people think they aren’t racists You have no idea how the word was used originally, and continues to be used today, do you? All you seem to know is what reactionaries have told you it means. Tell me again how you’re on the front lines… > [@](#): > > when anyone knows that everyone is somewhat racist. Wait, [I know this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnM1uHhsOI)… Do me a favour, chump - don’t take morality lessons from satirical puppets. > [@](#): > > It’s just a way to pat yourself on the back. :rolleyes: Oh, yeah, no experience with any real fight against racism here, I just have these empty words to make myself feel like I’m doing something. Fool, you have no idea… > [@](#): > > Or it means believes you believe conspiracy nonsense. What idiocy are you spouting now, you drooling simpleton? > [@](#): > > And here you are deliberately creating a strawman, as I did not say anything of the sort. > [@](#): > > really does become\*\* just \*\*about “what we find offensive.” Oh, really? Is “just” also a word you don’t know the meaning of? > [@](#): > > If I’m so wrong, why do you have to make up shit I didn’t say? Did I quote you? > [@](#): > > I never said it was equal. I said “fair and balanced”, and that’s certainly what your strategy thinks it aims to be. Tell me, how’s that “We go high” bullshit working out for y’all, lately? > [@](#): > > I said it gives ammunition to the alt-right to claim such, because you can’t keep the lid on your desire to use a slur against white people. I give a shit what neo-Nazis do or don’t take umbrage at. And it’s not a slur on “white people”. It’s a slur on wypipo. > [@](#): > > I went out of my way to be nice to you and understand your anger and your reactions. Oh, was your “I was _totally_ going to report him for fairness sake, but you got there first” bullshit in ATMB you going out of your way to be nice to me? I’m not asking for your imbecilic notion of understanding, you microcephalic cretin. Just fuck off with your tediousness already. > [@](#): > > Then you treated me like garbage. Because you’re a garbage person. > [@](#): > > You go around using a term that you know will piss people off and thus lose them as potential allies. If “wypipo” pisses them off, they were never an ally to begin with. > [@](#): > > You could get them on your side, but you’re so interested in a fucking purity test that you put that above the cause. “the cause”? Listen to this wannabe Weatherman in here. You really are just a blustering chucklefuck, aren’t you? You don’t like the idea of a purity test because you know you would fail miserably. But then, you’d fail a Voigt-Kampff too, so no surprises there. > [@](#): > > So, while I’m sure most Dopers have nothing to learn from me, it sure fucking seems you do. Yeah, not so much, no. > [@](#): > > I’m assuming good faith in that you’re not trying to make things worse, but you fucking are. Wait, by “not make things worse”, did you mean “play nice with racists”? Because fuck that noise. > [@](#): > > It sucks that, to be a full SJW anti-racist, anti-bigotry, pro-feminist, progressive, socialist, and moral person You know, I’ve always held that “virtue signalling” was always a _good_ thing. Turns out I was wrong. > [@](#): > > that I have to fight against someone who I am trying to help. “have to” - “help” - yeah, don’t do me any favours. > [@](#): > > You could fix it, or you can continue to be sputtering in anger and accomplishing nothing. Oh, you’re soooo right - anger’s never helped me in social justice causes before… …oh, wait, I have a set of shiny voter registration stamps dating back to '94 that says completely different. :rolleyes: Now shut the fuck up and _think_, before you have the stupid, privileged fucking arrogance to presume to fucking lecture \*me \*on what does and doesn’t work in combating racism. When _you’ve_ been whipped, teargassed and shot at for the colour of your skin, you can try that tack. Until then - just shut the fuck up, **BigT** ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/106 "2018-07-07T20:21:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > That’s way the fuck over the line, asshole. Didn’t mean anything to me - just means the racist was really rankled. > [@CarnalK](#): > > He’s not in a minority group. I am, actually, just not any one that \*\*BigT \*\*would have any experience of. > [@CarnalK](#): > > I asked other people in that thread too and I peaked at a couple of websites. That’s more than enough research. If you want to actually say I’m wrong, go ahead rather than dance around it. It’s also used just humourously (not by me, though) - I wouldn’t characterize that as _derogatory_. I mean, it’s not _complementary_, so you have a point. Go you! ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/107 "2018-07-07T20:22:07Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Nigger’s derogatory and kind of racist towards whites now? Man, white privilege really does cover everything. jesus > [@](#): > > Or did you mean a different sort of “literally”, you boring bufoon? > > Now, I want to get this clear, so there’s no doubt, so I’m going to ask again: > > You think the issue with “nigger” is \*\*just \*\*that the word itself has a history of being used derogatorily? > > You don’t think who said it historically, to whom they said it, and the relationship between those two groups both then and now, is of \*any \*relevance? christ > [@](#): > > Is “factual” another word, like “literally”, that means something different in Bloviating Idiot Land? > This is not news.No, you really don’t. You don’t even really know anything about my minority group.That’s mighty white of you, to take up such a burden, man. > Like I said - show-liberal. > You have no idea how the word was used originally, and continues to be used today, do you? All you seem to know is what reactionaries have told you it means. Tell me again how you’re on the front lines… your > [@](#): > > Wait, [I know this one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXnM1uHhsOI)… > Do me a favour, chump - don’t take morality lessons from satirical puppets. > > :rolleyes: Oh, yeah, no experience with any real fight against racism here, I just have these empty words to make myself feel like I’m doing something. > > Fool, you have no idea… > > What idiocy are you spouting now, you drooling simpleton? cut > [@](#): > > Oh, really? Is “just” also a word you don’t know the meaning of? > Did I quote you? I said “fair and balanced”, and that’s certainly what your strategy thinks it aims to be. Tell me, how’s that “We go high” bullshit working out for y’all, lately?I give a shit what neo-Nazis do or don’t take umbrage at. > > And it’s not a slur on “white people”. It’s a slur on wypipo. up > [@](#): > > Oh, was your “I was _totally_ going to report him for fairness sake, but you got there first” bullshit in ATMB you going out of your way to be nice to me? > > I’m not asking for your imbecilic notion of understanding, you microcephalic cretin. Just fuck off with your tediousness already. posting > [@](#): > > Because you’re a garbage person. > If “wypipo” pisses them off, they were never an ally to begin with. > “the cause”? Listen to this wannabe Weatherman in here. You really are just a blustering chucklefuck, aren’t you? You don’t like the idea of a purity test because you know you would fail miserably. But then, you’d fail a Voigt-Kampff too, so no surprises there. > Yeah, not so much, no.Wait, by “not make things worse”, did you mean “play nice with racists”? Because fuck that noise. > You know, I’ve always held that “virtue signalling” was always a _good_ thing. Turns out I was wrong. style > [@](#): > > “have to” - “help” - yeah, don’t do me any favours. > Oh, you’re soooo right - anger’s never helped me in social justice causes before… > > …oh, wait, I have a set of shiny voter registration stamps dating back to '94 that says completely different. :rolleyes: > > Now shut the fuck up and _think_, before you have the stupid, privileged fucking arrogance to presume to fucking lecture \*me \*on what does and doesn’t work in combating racism. When _you’ve_ been whipped, teargassed and shot at for the colour of your skin, you can try that tack. Until then - just shut the fuck up, **BigT** sucks. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/108 "2018-07-07T20:25:56Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Didn’t mean anything to me - just means the racist was really rankled. > > I am, actually, just not any one that \*\*BigT \*\*would have any experience of. > It’s also used just humourously (not by me, though) - I wouldn’t characterize that as _derogatory_. I mean, it’s not _complementary_, so you have a point. Go you! Oh right, you’re a khoikhoi or something. But my point stands. If American race relations get better or worse, it means nothing to your life. Also, I’m right fairly frequently. The “Go you” is totally unnecessary. And even when wrong, I’m cloaked in mediocre white man confidence, which keeps me warm. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/109 "2018-07-07T20:28:16Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh right, you’re a khoikhoi or something. …or something. > [@](#): > > But my point stands. If American race relations get better or worse, it means nothing to your life. I do have Black American friends. A couple of White ones, too. But, you know, the good ones. ---
**Author:** ![Delicious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@Delicious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Delicious)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/110 "2018-07-07T20:28:16Z")
Stop struggling man, you’ll fall right off his gallant steed. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/111 "2018-07-07T20:34:56Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I do have Black American friends. > > A couple of White ones, too. But, you know, the good ones. So your Facebook life might be affected. I stand corrected. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/112 "2018-07-07T20:37:24Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Oh right, you’re a khoikhoi or something. But my point stands. If American race relations get better or worse, it means nothing to your life. > > Also, I’m right fairly frequently. The “Go you” is totally unnecessary. And even when wrong, I’m cloaked in mediocre white man confidence, which keeps me warm. If he is then he can identify with our Native Americans. Firstly, his people list their land to Bantu speaking people who lost it to the Euros. The tableland surrounding Cape Town was arguably one of the worlds paradise before humans arrived. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/113 "2018-07-07T20:58:02Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > So your Facebook life might be affected. I stand corrected. \*Some \*of us have friends we see in meatspace, you know. But only ever here in Cape Town. Because - travel to America? _shudder_ The company I work for also has a few North American branches, but I don’t think anything short of outright race war is going to really affect our bottom line, there. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/114 "2018-07-07T21:05:51Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > The company I work for also has a few North American branches, but I don’t think anything short of outright race war is going to really affect our bottom line, there. Actually, what happens in the United States will and actually already is affecting the world. We live in a small, highly interconnected world now, and the United States is a big part of the world. The choices the current administration is making in terms of trade, military alliances, diplomacy, race, immigration, etc., will affect everyone. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/115 "2018-07-07T21:06:14Z")
Right. You just can’t admit it’s a totally distant concern because a couple.of people you know visit Capetown every 5 years or so. Lol. ---
**Author:** ![cochrane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cochrane/32/10441_2.png) [@cochrane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cochrane)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/116 "2018-07-07T21:09:00Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > It sucks that, to be a full SJW anti-racist, anti-bigotry, pro-feminist, progressive, socialist, and moral person that I have to fight against someone who I am trying to help. Protip: 1. Stop trying to be all of that and just be a human being. Nobody likes SJWs. 2. If someone rejects your “help” and abuses you for it, stop trying to help them. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/117 "2018-07-07T21:12:14Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Actually, what happens in the United States will and actually already is affecting the world. We live in a small, highly interconnected world now, and the United States is a big part of the world. The choices the current administration is making in terms of trade, military alliances, diplomacy, race, immigration, etc., will affect everyone. Come on, man. Race relations in the U.S. isn’t going to have a single fucking iota of effect in South Africa. The last thing I remember from SA in that regard is a feint at nationalizing/redstributing white owned farm land and locals pissed off about refugees from other African nations. How does that relate to the American experience in any way? I obviously don’t have an ear to the ground there so I fully welcome correction on meaningful parallels but I’m rather confident it won’t have much to do with American immigration policies. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/118 "2018-07-07T21:34:25Z")
> [@CarnalK](#): > > Right. You just can’t admit it’s a totally distant concern because a couple.of people you know visit Capetown every 5 years or so. Lol. I don’t know about _you_, but some of us care about our friends and what happens to them _even when they’re not immediately in front of us_. And they’re not “a couple of people I know” - they’re old work colleagues, varsity mates and, oh yes, one best man. OK, he’s South African originally, but he lives in America now. Why can’t \*you \*just admit your “Facebook life” remark was flippant nonsense and move on? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/119 "2018-07-07T21:38:18Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > Actually, what happens in the United States will and actually already is affecting the world. We live in a small, highly interconnected world now, and the United States is a big part of the world. The choices the current administration is making in terms of trade, military alliances, diplomacy, race, immigration, etc., will affect everyone. Given. US Black-White relations, specifically, aren’t going to affect my company, though. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 10:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434/120 "2018-07-07T22:14:31Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t know about _you_, but some of us care about our friends and what happens to them _even when they’re not immediately in front of us_. And they’re not “a couple of people I know” - they’re old work colleagues, varsity mates and, oh yes, one best man. OK, he’s South African originally, but he lives in America now. > > Why can’t \*you \*just admit your “Facebook life” remark was flippant nonsense and move on? Nah. My point was you have little skin in the game vis a vis American race relations and certainly not a personal stake. “Some of your oldest friends (sorry, “work colleqgues” :rolleyes:) are Americans” feels like weak sauce to me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yall-wypipo-need-to-grow-some-skin/817434.md?page=7)