# Yams & Sweet Potatoes **URL:** \ **Category:** Cecil's Columns/Staff Reports\ **Created:** [November 16, 2001, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703 "2001-11-16T09:12:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mgreenspan47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7cd45c/32.png) [@mgreenspan47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mgreenspan47)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 9:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/1 "2001-11-16T09:12:46Z")
In Africa, perhaps, yams account for multiple births. In the Trobriand Islands in the South Pacific (east of Papua New Guinea) they reputedly account for a vibrant sex life. Each spring, the islanders hold a two week Yam Festival, celebrating the end of their annual harvest. Men whose yams grow the largest are considered to possess outsized sexual powers and prowess and the Trobriand women are said to award them appopriate honors. More importantly, Yam Festival time signals a period of profligacy – two weeks of free love – during which “anything goes” with anyone, anytime and anywhere. Marital ties are reportedly no obstacle to free sexual expression and, after the festival, all festive liaisons are said to be forgiven and forgotten. An enlightened approach to life, to say the least, and one which may have spawned the Trobriand’s familiar nickname, “The Islands of Love”. This is not a joke. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/2 "2001-11-16T14:10:15Z")
No, it’s not a joke–but it’s possibly an Urban Legend. I’d sure like to see some kind of scholarly, anthropological cite for that, Greenspan. From someone not connected with the tourism industry, say? Because all I can find on Google, offhand (admittedly, I haven’t had any coffee yet), are promotional squibs like this one: [http://www.niuginidiving.com/culture.html](http://www.niuginidiving.com/culture.html) > [@](#): > > Traditional ceremonies mark social events such as the famous Yam (Milalala) Festival, which is held each year between June and August and is presided over by the elders of the village. The festival begins with the men carrying the yearly yam harvest to the village yam huts while the women sing and dance. The sexual rituals of this festival are what gave the islands the title “The Islands of Love”. Here’s the only serious anthropological cite I could find offhand. [http://www.roanoke.edu/history/Leeson/Anthropology/Trobriand\_Cricket.htm](http://www.roanoke.edu/history/Leeson/Anthropology/Trobriand_Cricket.htm) > [@](#): > > The most exciting period of the year comes in July and August. After the yam harvest, there is a two-month period before the new planting when the people play and dance. It is then that local leaders seek to increase their prestige by hosting yam competitions, dancing competitions, and cricket matches. The dancing usually begins with innuendo and ends with sex. Originally, Christian missionaries introduced the staid and gentlemanly sport of cricket to the islanders as a way of cooling things down. They were offended by the open display of Trobriand sexuality and hoped that the English game of cricket would serve as a substitute of sorts for the traditional dances and battles. I’m not questioning whether they have a Yam Festival in the Trobriands. I’m not even questioning whether the Trobriand Islanders are more open about sexuality than other cultures. What I’m questioning is whether the annual Yam Festival is an all-stops-out “free love” two-week orgy, and that the guys with the biggest yams are indeed considered the most desirable. [http://us.altnews.com.au/print.php?sid=798](http://us.altnews.com.au/print.php?sid=798) > [@](#): > > # AIDS alert on cultural practices > > Port Moresby (The National/PINA Nius Online, 14 August 2001) - Some cultural and traditional practices in Papua New Guinea have been described as having the potential to spread HIV/AIDS. > > A meeting of experienced peer educators in Port Moresby named some of these as the popular karim leg and tanim het ceremonies in the Highlands, and the Trobriand yam festival which allegedly encourage unrestricted sex. The key word here, I think, is “allegedly”. I notice you’ve got a lot of qualifiers in your post, too, Greenspan. 😉 Welcome to the Straight Dope Message Board, Greenspan. This is a website devoted to Fighting Ignorance. You could help Fight some Ignorance if you’d post some kind of cite for your “legend of the Islands of Love”. Sounds like a tourist industry UL to me. The column being referenced is, [What’s the difference between yams and sweet potatoes?](http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a990604b.html). ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/3 "2001-11-16T15:14:58Z")
> [@](#): > > More importantly, Yam Festival time signals a period of profligacy – two weeks of free love – during which “anything goes” with anyone, anytime and anywhere. Reminds me of a joke. This man dies and goes to hell. He looks around, but doesn’t see any lakes of fire, and the people don’t seem unhappy. Another guy walks up, smoking a big cigar. Newbie: Where am I? Resident: Oh, you’re new here. This is hell. Newbie: Why is everyone so happy? Resident: It’s Monday. Do you smoke? Newbie: Yeah, I like to smoke. Resident: Then you’ll love Mondays. Monday is smoke day. You can smoke anything you want, all day long. It’s all free, and there are no “No Smoking” areas. Drop your ashes whereever you want, throw your butts on the ground - it’s all good. Here, have a light. Newbie: (Lights up a cigarette) Thanks, this is great. Resident: Say, do you like to drink? Newbie: Sure, I like a good buzz. Resident: Then you’ll love Tuesdays. Tuesday is booze day. You can drink anything you want, all day long. Beer, wine, whiskey, tequila - you name it, it’s free. Tuesday is great. Newbie: Wow, this sounds like my kind of place. What happens Wednesdays? Resident: Wednesdays are great. Wednesdays you can have sex with any woman you want, anywhere, all day long. Anything goes. Newbie: That sounds great! Resident: So, are you gay? Newbie: (looks askance) No. Resident: Oh man, then you’re going to _hate_ Thursdays. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/4 "2001-11-16T15:24:14Z")
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**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/5 "2001-11-16T16:53:41Z")
Duck Duck Goose, the yam festival tradition is alluded to in Paul Theroux’ book “The Happy Isles of Oceania” (© 1992), in chapters 7 and 8. Paul Theroux also says that the festival is mentioned in a book by anthropologist Bronislaw Malinowski, _The Sexual Life of Savages_. From chapter 7 - Paul Theroux is talking with a group of people from the village of Kaisiga on Kaileuna Island. Most people on the village are Seventh-Day Adventists, and their pastor is named John. > [@](#): > > … John wanted to tell me about the Seven Day Adventists, but I headed him off, asking him about the Yam Festival. > “The Yam Festival is very unChristian”, John said, and the others smirked at me. “The girls and the women just rush at you. They grab at you anywhere” - and he gestured at his groin and frowned. > The others shrieked with laughter. > “It is not funny,” John said, sadly. > “It is unusual,” I said. > “It is worse than unusual,” John said. “The women can hold you down. There might be seven or eight of them. They hold you and one of them sits on your face and laughs at you and she presses her waist against you.” > “Presses her _waist_?” > “Her thing,” John said. > “Her _wila_,” someone said, and there was more laughter. > “I get it,” I said. > “There is much fornication, and even rape,” John said, with great solemnity. "Yes, I tell you, five or six girls can rape a man. They take a man and they sit on him, and the touch him and when his - " > “_Kwila_!” someone said. > “Yes, when his _kwila_ gets hard the lucky one sits on it. What do you think of that?” There are other references in the aforementioned chapters by people on several different islands in the Trobriands. [Edited by Arnold Winkelried on 11-16-2001 at 10:58 AM] ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/6 "2001-11-16T16:55:32Z")
Finally, to go back to the subject of Cecil’s column, Paul Theroux mentions in the book that in the Trobriands people eat a lot of yam _and_ sweet potatoes. Could it really be both, or is that careless nomenclature from a non-botanist? ---
**Author:** ![mgreenspan47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7cd45c/32.png) [@mgreenspan47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mgreenspan47)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/7 "2001-11-16T18:22:27Z")
Let the doubters check out anthropologist Bronislaw Malinovski’s seminal work, “The Sexual Life of Savages”. He was the first to carry out in-depth research concerning Trobriand customs. Having visited the Trobriands out of season (not during the yam festival) I cannot add eyewitness testimony to his, but, in conversations I had with the islanders, I gathered that Malinovski’s claims (and those of others) are not without foundation. There’s one famous tale concerning a cricket match held on one of the Trobriands, during which female islanders hid in bushes alongside the pitch, luring members of the visiting team into the bush for a romp. Whether or not this home team advantage caused the visitors to lose the game, I cannot say. ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/8 "2001-11-16T21:43:38Z")
Several quibbles here. 1. Paul Theroux is a travel writer, not an anthropologist. So the natives tell him anecdotes about their wild and crazy yam festival and he simply copies it all down in his notebooks and publishes it. This does not, IMO, make him a good cite. Sorry. ☹ 2. I am very uncomfortable by having _The Sexual Life of Savages_ cited as an authority for the fact that the yam festival is a two-week long orgy. It was written during the same time period as Margaret Mead’s _Coming of Age in Samoa_, which has now been more or less discredited, as far as its tales of sexual freedom are concerned. The kind of cite I had in mind was something a bit more modern. 3. I’m not questioning whether the Trobriand Islanders are more open about their sexuality than other cultures. What I am questioning is whether the Yam Festival is indeed a non-stop two-week long orgy. Does Malinowski address that in his book? 4. The “cricket match” tale is just that–a tale. But, is it supported by the facts? Did it really happen? This is a website devoted to Fighting Ignorance, and this is the Comments on Cecil’s Columns Forum. We’re not here for salacious rumors and unsupported stories about the sexual customs of other cultures–we’re here for facts. ---
**Author:** ![Irishman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b487fb/32.png) [@Irishman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Irishman)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2001, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/9 "2001-11-16T22:38:13Z")
Ducky, while I admire you for fighting the good fight, I think perhaps you are in error on the Margaret Mead thing. There has been a series of articles and letters in _Skeptical Inquirer_ in the past year or so, and they are rather supportive of Margaret Mead. The main discrediter of Mead does not appear to be making his case. Arnold, I think you just described my ideal vacation spot. Forget Club Med, I’m going to Trobriand! And I think I’ve discovered a new insult for the boards. “You’re so ugly, you couldn’t get laid at the Trobriand Yam Festival!” 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/50afbb/32.png) [@Duck\_Duck\_Goose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Duck_Duck_Goose)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2001, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/10 "2001-11-17T03:35:44Z")
Well, okay, it’s just that the last media squib I remember hearing was, “Margaret Mead was–sort of–wrong about all those oversexed teenage Samoans”. Heap big factoid stick-um memory, ugh. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2001, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/11 "2001-11-17T15:32:01Z")
Duck Duck Goose - granted, Paul Theroux is not an anthropologist. Nonetheless I am not aware that he has any special reputation for falsehood in his travel books. In any case, I"m sure he is at least as reliable as most of the websites that one could find through a Google search. Considering Bronislaw Malinowski’s book: I haven’t read it, all I know is what Paul Theroux relates of it in the book I referred to above. But I think it’s bad logic to say 'another anthropologist wrote a book on that same subject, and I’ve read in the paper that some people are disputing the work of that anthropologist, so therefore no contemporary anthropologist discussing this issue is a trustworthy source." Is the “yam festival” in the Trobriands a “non-stop two-week orgy?” If by that you mean that on the first day of the yam festival people immediately start copulating and for the next 14 days do not eat, drink, sleep, or do anything else but engage in the sexual act, then I also would find that very hard to believe. But do people during that time engage in a more than usual licentiousness? I am willing to believe the first-hand accounts of that behaviour from a travel writer that was there at the time. ---
**Author:** ![Arnold\_Winkelried](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Arnold\_Winkelried](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Arnold_Winkelried)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2001, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/12 "2001-11-17T15:35:06Z")
Irishman - you might want to visit the Trobriands at some other time. To quote again from Paul Theroux’ book “Because of the danger of rape - and rape wasn’t a joke; it was exactly what it was anywhere, a violent assault, a humiliation - I went [to Omarakhana] in a truck with a friendly villager named Matthew.” ---
**Author:** ![mgreenspan47](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7cd45c/32.png) [@mgreenspan47](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mgreenspan47)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2001, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/13 "2001-11-17T17:20:46Z")
Concerning a visit to the Trobriands: they’re an out of the way destination, to say the least, and getting there is expensive. They’re also not a resort destination, and I’m not sure there’s a single hotel or organized lodge. On the other hand, the people are extremely friendly (and that’s not a sexual allusion). I sailed to the Trobriands a few years ago, departing from Madang on the northern coast of from Papua New Guinea at stopping at several other Melanesian island groups along the way. Other than the roughness of the Bismarck Sea, it’s a fantastic voyage, revealing vistas whose romance transcend anything you can imagine. One of the most fascinating subjects that comes to light on the oceanic traverse is the existence of the Kula Ring – a ceremonial trading cycle that molds the far-flung islands of the South Pacific into a “community” that, if I remember correctly, spans more square miles than the continental United States. These vast reaches are plied by islanders in sail-powered ocean-going canoes. If you lucky enough to see them in the middle of nowhere – as I was – you’ll have glimpsed at a reality so different from our own that it’s guaranteed to fuel your imagination for some time to come. The Trobriands are but one stop on an endless adventure. Theroux, despite his innate cynicism, captures some of the spirit of this amazing part of the planet. ---
**Author:** ![domina](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/96bed5/32.png) [@domina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/domina)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2001, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yams-sweet-potatoes/93703/14 "2001-11-18T03:03:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Arnold Winkelried \* > \*\*Finally, to go back to the subject of Cecil’s column, Paul Theroux mentions in the book that in the Trobriands people eat a lot of yam _and_ sweet potatoes. Could it really be both, or is that careless nomenclature from a non-botanist? \*\* It’s entirely possible. There’s a native Asian yam that’s grown in the area, and sweet potatoes were brought in by Europeans a couple centuries ago and became a staple. At least, that was what happened in New Guinea. Since the Trobriands are nearby I imagine their diet is pretty similar.