# Yankees lose! Yankees lose! Yankees lose!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 21, 2004, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341 "2004-10-21T03:55:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/41 "2004-10-21T13:48:49Z")
Yeah, the Yankees really showed they were made of tough stuff despite the acquisitions of pernnial all-stars Sheffield and Rodriguez. Will they be able to continue toughing it out after getting Beltran and Pedro and Radke? It’s hard to believe, but the never-say-die Yankees have always proved the critics wrong. :wally ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/42 "2004-10-21T13:58:32Z")
**Sauron** , I hate that as much as anyone and would love to shove a brick down his mouth everytime he says it. **BobLibDem** , I feel as if it is more than a couple of holes. Steinbrenner built an aging team. We need youth. We need to start grooming Mariano’s successor, who will be needed in 2-4 years. We need starting pitching. We need left-handed relief. We need a first baseman and a center fielder. Steinbrenner might go out and buy proven players, but they’re expensive (not that it really seems to matter to him) and they’re OLD. This team needs some youth. The World Series Yankees won with KIDS like Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettite, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada. But the years have taken their toll on all of them, and our minor leagues don’t seem to have any replacements available. **skurtir** , I’d love to see Beltran. Pedro’s best years are behind him, but that’s never stopped George ( **cough_Kevin Brown_cough** ). ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/43 "2004-10-21T14:09:26Z")
I would argue the Yankees need a second baseman more than a first baseman. Imagine the ALCS with a healthy Jason Giambi. Cairo is a journeyman and competent, but we could use a better man here. Bernie Williams is starting to age, time to get a replacement. Leftfield, rightfield, third, and short are in solid hands for several more years. Posada didn’t contribute much in the ALCS either, it might be time to consider his fate. But reliable starting pitching is the biggest need. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/44 "2004-10-21T14:22:20Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > I would argue the Yankees need a second baseman more than a first baseman. Imagine the ALCS with a healthy Jason Giambi. Cairo is a journeyman and competent, but we could use a better man here. Bernie Williams is starting to age, time to get a replacement. Leftfield, rightfield, third, and short are in solid hands for several more years. Posada didn’t contribute much in the ALCS either, it might be time to consider his fate. But reliable starting pitching is the biggest need. I just finished a conversation with a friend about Giambi. I think Giambi has seen his best years already. Giambi really would not have made that much of a difference during the regular season…winning 100 games is hard enough as is. The question is how he could have contributed in the post-season. My friend agreed with you, that a healthy Giambi will be a true difference-maker. Posada is a question-mark. Obviously, the season took its toll on him. He’s not known for being the man to get a big hit. I give left and right fields 3 years before we need to replace…center field we should replace immediately. We need a number 2 or 3 starter. Give Vasquez one more year as no. 4 to see if he can handle NY. Cairo had an admirable year. He did what was expected and required of him. He earned a shot at next year’s starting job. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/45 "2004-10-21T14:56:44Z")
> [@Harborwolf](#): > > FYI, the NY Post late edition headline reads “Damned Yankees, Sox reverse curse with game 7 win.” > > The sports page reads “WHAT A CHOKE! Feeble Yankees complete collapse, bow to hated bosox in ALCS.” > > All this according to [nypost.com](http://nypost.com). > > So, Boston beating the Yankees is a good thing? 😛 I think that The Times’s sports page has the best headline of them all: “MONUMENTAL COLLAPSE!” ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/46 "2004-10-21T15:19:35Z")
The traditional sports headline on the last page of the NYPost was HELL FREEZES OVER ---
**Author:** ![Governor\_Quinn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d26b3c/32.png) [@Governor\_Quinn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Governor_Quinn)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/47 "2004-10-21T15:24:27Z")
Whenever the Yankees are defeated, an angel gets its’ wings. ---
**Author:** ![Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troy_mcclure_sf/32/4150_2.png) [@Troy\_McClure\_SF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Troy_McClure_SF)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/48 "2004-10-21T16:05:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Bah. The Yankees still won 100 games with a pitching staff held together with paper clips and rubber bands. Patch a couple holes over the course of the winter, and the boys will be back in force in 2005. The Red Sox, on the other hand, won’t be back. You read it here first. Ah, “We’ll get 'em next year”… the perennial cry of Cubs fans. ---
**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/49 "2004-10-21T16:16:14Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > The Red Sox, on the other hand, won’t be back. You read it here first. Not really going out on a limb there – baseball teams tend not to repeat (excepting the Yankees and Braves of recent years). ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/50 "2004-10-21T16:33:37Z")
Eat it, Steinbrenner. You likin’ A-Rod now, you acquisitive son-of-a-bitch? ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/51 "2004-10-21T16:40:32Z")
Oh, and Yankees Fans? Who’s _your_ Daddy, bitches! ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/52 "2004-10-21T16:42:59Z")
> [@Airman Doors](#): > > Bwahahahaha! > > Someone check on **World Eater** to make sure that he didn’t hang himself. [sub]Yep, still here[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![paperbackwriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/53a042/32.png) [@paperbackwriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/paperbackwriter)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/53 "2004-10-21T16:53:31Z")
Did you notice that the first part of your SN is misspelled with an extra “L”? You should e-mail the mods to get them to fix that for you. 😉 Sorry man, but now you have a little taste of what being a Sox fan is like. This understanding will no doubt lead to rapprochment between Yankees and Red Sox fans. ---
**Author:** ![Hal\_Briston](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/a9a28c/32.png) [@Hal\_Briston](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hal_Briston)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/54 "2004-10-21T16:55:38Z")
> [@duffer](#): > > Are you cracked?!? Starting tomorrow it’ll be 24/7 commentary until April on what the Yankees have to do to win next year. > > Do you honestly think the NY sportswriters and talk hosts are going to forgo 6 months of fodder for the G-Men? Yeah, I know…the station will always be radically baseball-centric. At least they won’t be wasting as much football-discussion time on hockey this year. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/55 "2004-10-21T16:57:43Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Why not? They were the first team to go up 2-0 in a **five** -game series and lose, to the Mariners in 1995. [Not True](http://www.enel.net/beisbol/history/event/postseason/lcs/nlcs1984.asp). The Padres came back from a 2-0 defecit against the Cubs to win the next three, sending them to their first World Series in 1984. Btw, congrats, BoSox! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/56 "2004-10-21T17:01:22Z")
> [@Hal Briston](#): > > Yeah, I know…the station will always be radically baseball-centric. At least they won’t be wasting as much football-discussion time on hockey this year. Sacrilege. Come February through April, there will be a huge sports void. At least this year, I will be much better informed come football draft and baseball preseason. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/57 "2004-10-21T17:01:28Z")
[QUOTE=paperbackwriter] Did you notice that the first part of your SN is misspelled with an extra “L”? You should e-mail the mods to get them to fix that for you. 😉 [quote] Touche > [@](#): > > Sorry man, but now you have a little taste of what being a Sox fan is like. This understanding will no doubt lead to rapprochment between Yankees and Red Sox fans. Somehow I think it will only fan the flames. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/58 "2004-10-21T17:09:01Z")
For your viewing pleasure, I present to you the greatest Nike® [commercial](http://www.nike.com/usa/justdoit/v2/index.jhtml) ever made. 🆒 ---
**Author:** ![shamrock227](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@shamrock227](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/shamrock227)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/59 "2004-10-21T23:39:24Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > The curse of the A-Rod is here!. Wheeeee! 🙂🙂 Now _that’s_ funny. Being a Yankee fan I would like to defend my team. They didn’t choke. I wouldn’t call games that went to 12 and 14 innings “choking” these teams fought like hell for the win. Boston had better pitching and that’s what this series came down to. I have been a Yankee fan forever and that has always been my complaint about them. Steinbrenner has owned a baseball team for a million years and still hasn’t figured out that there is more to the game than big bats. Hopefully this ALCS will drive it home for him. It’s good that Boston won because they deserved it. But, don’t get too smug - that curse ain’t reversed unless you win the Series 😉 ---
**Author:** ![WernhamHogg](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a587f6/32.png) [@WernhamHogg](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WernhamHogg)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2004, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/60 "2004-10-21T23:50:13Z")
> [@Honey](#): > > For your viewing pleasure, I present to you the greatest Nike® [commercial](http://www.nike.com/usa/justdoit/v2/index.jhtml) ever made. 🆒 Did you notice the Morse Code “secret message” on the sides of the movie? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341.md?page=4)