# Yankees lose! Yankees lose! Yankees lose!! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 21, 2004, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341 "2004-10-21T03:55:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/61 "2004-10-22T13:35:14Z")
> [@skutir](#): > > Did you notice the Morse Code “secret message” on the sides of the movie? Are you serious or have I just been whooshed? ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/62 "2004-10-22T13:43:38Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > [Not True](http://www.enel.net/beisbol/history/event/postseason/lcs/nlcs1984.asp). The Padres came back from a 2-0 defecit against the Cubs to win the next three, sending them to their first World Series in 1984. > > Btw, congrats, BoSox! 🙂 And the Brewers did it to the Angels in 1982. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/63 "2004-10-22T13:43:45Z")
Oh I know what that is. It’s the same morse code as on the scoreboard. The initials of Thomas Yawkey and Jean Yawkey. Very cool, I didn’t even notice it. ---
**Author:** ![Trunk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/87869e/32.png) [@Trunk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trunk)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/64 "2004-10-22T13:56:47Z")
> [@shamrock227](#): > > Now _that’s_ funny. > > Being a Yankee fan I would like to defend my team. They didn’t choke. I wouldn’t call games that went to 12 and 14 innings “choking” these teams fought like hell for the win. Boston had better pitching and that’s what this series came down to. Now THAT’S funny. That’s like saying Greg Norman didn’t choke at the masters because Nick Faldo is a good golfer. The Yankees hadn’t lost 4 straight games since May. Rivera blew saves two games in a row. No team in the history of baseball had even gone to a game 7, much less lost the series, after going down 3-0. That’s playing your WORST baseball when the pressure is the greatest. That’s the definition of choking. The Yankees choked like bitches and there is simply no other way to see it. ---
**Author:** ![Honey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/honey/32/5074_2.png) [@Honey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Honey)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/65 "2004-10-22T14:03:31Z")
Do you think Steinbummer is buying one of [these](http://www.tiffany.com/search/search_results.asp?jewelryIndex=0&priceIndex=0&metalIndex=0&stoneIndex=0&watchIndex=0&homeIndex=0&tableIndex=0&collectionsIndex=0&keyword=choker&jewelry=&watch=&price=&home=&metal=&table=&stone=&collections=&searchText=choker) for each player? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Shaky\_Jake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/90db22/32.png) [@Shaky\_Jake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shaky_Jake)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/66 "2004-10-22T14:36:37Z")
> [@shamrock227](#): > > Now _that’s_ funny. > > Being a Yankee fan I would like to defend my team. They didn’t choke. I wouldn’t call games that went to 12 and 14 innings “choking” these teams fought like hell for the win. Then I’ll assume you were also saying that the Sox didn’t choke last year? Yeah, sure you were. If you gleely spouted words like ‘blew it’, or ‘choked’ last year (and I can’t imagine a Yankees fan NOT doing so - hell, I would have) …then you can’t defend your team this year with “hard-fought”. Last year’s ALCS was hard-fought. Neither team was ever up by more than a game. Those hard-fought games that went to 12 & 14 innings? It wasn’t like they were deadlocked from the 4th inning on. The Yankees had leads in the 9th and 8th innings, and the Best Closer Ever on the mound. You left that part out. Look, as a Sox fan, I know how hard it is to admit that your team blew it. I know it hurts - again, been there. But after 26 championships, it’s…pathetic to hear a Yankees fan try to squrim off the ‘choke’ hook. It was the most monumental collapse in baseball history. If the Yankees didn’t choke…then no one has EVER choked. Trying to deny it is…unseemly…unbecoming…and, like I said, pathetic. Sorry, Jake ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/67 "2004-10-22T15:13:03Z")
> [@Neurotik](#): > > And the Brewers did it to the Angels in 1982. The first team to lose a best-of-five postseason series after winning the first two was the 1981 Houston Astros, who lost to the Dodgers. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/68 "2004-10-22T15:14:12Z")
I must agree. Of course, BoSox fans have an irrational, undying faith that _this year could be the year_, and deserve all the ridicule hurled at them for this patent mental defect. However, when the Sox choke, the fans don’t take shelter in denial; rather, they seem to have a masochistic compulsion to wallow in it to such an extreme that only large volumes of beer can provide succor. To see the arrogance displayed in any attempt to deny the Yanks choked so hard they completely inverted their collective alimentary tract is an outrage. I’m afraid such monstrous inability to acknowledge the sheer horror of whay your beloved Yankees have done must be met with only the most caustic derision. Wallow in your misery. Wallow hard. This was undeniably the worst upset any team has ever suffered in the long and glorious history of baseball, and the Yankee franchise will wear this infamy like a crown of bitter thorns for years to come. The 2004 Yanks have brought shame on Yankee nation. They displayed all the grace under pressure of an incontinant sheep at a shearing contest and displayed their true mettle. Again I say: Wallow. The Yankees, the mighty Yankees, have CHOKED OUT. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/69 "2004-10-22T15:15:34Z")
Dammit, bumped by **Rufus**. I meant to concur with **Jake** ---
**Author:** ![Wilson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/96bed5/32.png) [@Wilson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wilson)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/70 "2004-10-22T21:05:20Z")
You know what’s really heartening? All the class and graciousness being shown by the Red Sox fans and Yankee haters in their victory. It’s great to see them show those Yankee “fans” how you should act when your team wins. At least we won’t have to deal with another riot in the Bronx this year! [/sarcasm] Anyway, as a Yankee and baseball fan both, let me congratulate the Red Sox organization and players on their win. For the series, they outplayed the Yankees by just enough - and the fact that they won the last four games is an amazing accomplishment. They showed spirit and toughness that remind me of other great, gutty teams of the past - Gibson’s Dodgers, the We-Are-Family Pirates, and (I hope you accept this in the spirit it is offered) the 96 Yanks. I’m not sure I can actually bring myself to root for Boston in the series though… ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/71 "2004-10-23T13:46:01Z")
> [@Rufus Xavier](#): > > The first team to lose a best-of-five postseason series after winning the first two was the 1981 Houston Astros, who lost to the Dodgers. I should have said that the Padres were the first to move to the World Series after being down two games in a pennant race. Your example (as well as Neurotik’s) were division championships. ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/72 "2004-10-23T14:52:54Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > I should have said that the Padres were the first to move to the World Series after being down two games in a pennant race. Your example (as well as Neurotik’s) were division championships. No, Neurotik was referring to the 1982 ALCS, in which the Brewers came back from two down to win the American League pennant. They subsequently lose the World Series to the Cardinals. Sorry, the Padres were not the first. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/73 "2004-10-23T18:32:43Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > No, Neurotik was referring to the 1982 ALCS, in which the Brewers came back from two down to win the American League pennant. They subsequently lose the World Series to the Cardinals. Sorry, the Padres were not the first. :sniff: I’m a Padre fan. I have so _little_ and you take even that away. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![RickJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/bb73d2/32.png) [@RickJay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RickJay)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/74 "2004-10-23T18:43:18Z")
> [@ArchiveGuy](#): > > :sniff: I’m a Padre fan. I have so _little_ and you take even that away. ☹ Look at the bright side. You could be a Brewers fan. ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/75 "2004-10-23T18:48:56Z")
> [@RickJay](#): > > Look at the bright side. You could be a Brewers fan. Haha, seriously. Unless your owner’s worse than Bud Selig, I don’t think anyone in Milwaukee wants to hear you kvetch, **ArchiveGuy**. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Big\_Cheese](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8baadc/32.png) [@The\_Big\_Cheese](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Big_Cheese)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/76 "2004-10-23T23:17:39Z")
the brewers have a new owner now, some guy from LA, can’t remember his name. All I know is his last name isn’t SELIG. this may be pending approval of course. It may take a while to get that payroll from the $30 million they spent this year up to the $180 millions of the Yankees, then again even with that much they didn’t even make it to the series…HA!. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/77 "2004-10-24T00:12:28Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Why not? They were the first team to go up 2-0 in a **five** -game series and lose, to the Mariners in 1995… Actually no; that distinction belonged to the Cubs, losing the NLCS to the Padres in 1984. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/78 "2004-10-24T00:13:53Z")
> [@Fish](#): > > Why not? They were the first team to go up 2-0 in a **five** -game series and lose, to the Mariners in 1995… Actually no; that distinction belonged to the Cubs, losing the NLCS to the Padres in 1984 when it was a 5-game series. ---
**Author:** ![capacitor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e47774/32.png) [@capacitor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capacitor)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/79 "2004-10-24T00:34:54Z")
Oops, forgot about the Brewers. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Llama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a698b9/32.png) [@The\_Llama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Llama)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2004, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341/80 "2004-10-24T04:51:38Z")
As a Yankee fan and Bosox hater, I can’t see how anyone can think we did anything but choke. We had 4 freaking chances to win, and didn’t. Just _letting_ 2 games go to extra innings was ridiculous. We had many, many chances with runners in scoring position and blew it. Seriously, Boston didn’t win, we lost, and big. And I agree about last year. When Aaron Boone hits a homer to win it, your team didn’t win, the other team just simply lost. I’m bitter all right. But I’d be just as bitter if we lost to the Orioles or anyone else in this fashion. And to be honest, I hope Boston wins the WS just so we can all finally shut the fuck up about the curse, and maybe, just maybe Sox fans will stop their whining. PS Just as an aside, for all you out there saying that the high priced Yankees couldn’t buy their way to the world series, and that it’s all about heart, the Bosox have the second highest payroll in all of baseball. That’s not a yankee defense, I’m just sayin is all. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-lose-yankees-lose-yankees-lose/270341.md?page=5)