# Yankees overpaying Jeter **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [November 11, 2010, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270 "2010-11-11T02:45:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/101 "2010-11-12T23:17:47Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Hey, I’m a Red Sox fan and I think you’re being unnecessarily abrasive to Yankees fans here. Some people are talking baseball, it’s not clear what your agenda is. What’s the appropriate level of abrasiveness for Yankee fans? I’ll try to meet your standard. ---
**Author:** ![unwashed\_brain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/a9adbd/32.png) [@unwashed\_brain](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/unwashed_brain)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2010, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/102 "2010-11-12T23:38:43Z")
It’s past time to unsubscribe from this thread. It ran its course a while ago. See ya! ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/103 "2010-11-13T02:36:20Z")
> [@Gangster\_Octopus](#): > > how much could not signing Jeter really cost the Yankees? Of course that is based on a lot of factors, such as what could they have paid him for and refused, who replaces him, how successful they are without him and I would guess how successful Jeter is somewhere else. I see so much about how the Yankees have to sign Jeter because of how beloved he is, and while he ccertianly is beloved like few other Yankees, I stil think the team would survive letting him go, especially if they were successful. Yeah. I don’t think his belovedness is really selling all that many tickets. If the Yankees overpay him because of this, it’s probably not the best idea. But there are other reasons to overpay him. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/104 "2010-11-13T19:58:44Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Hmmm, I keep pointing out my issues with Yankees’ fans generally, and you and **Marley** keep pointing out things you don’t like about me, personally. You know, “stupid,” “no understanding,” etc. Those comments were descriptions of your posts, not personal insults. And you are well aware of the distinction, or should be. > [@](#): > > Anyone know a good Mod I could report these things to? > [@](#): > > I should think you ought to report that “insult” to some Mod–I suggest that you and Colibri and Marley should be able to find something I wrote that insulted him, if I give you all a few hours. Maybe you can get it so that a faintly condescending tone is a mortal insult. Good luck with that. [Moderator Note] If you think a post should be reported, then do so. If the response doesn’t suit you then you are free to take it up in ATMB. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/105 "2010-11-13T20:20:38Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > Those comments were descriptions of your posts, not personal insults. Yeah, right. Why should I take five seconds of my time reporting you for personal insults when you’re happy to claim that “you have no understanding of baseball” is merely a comment on my post and not on me? If I were on the staff, and you were not, I have very little doubt that you would have been warned long ago for getting personal in a non-Pit thread. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [November 13, 2010, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/106 "2010-11-13T20:31:55Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > Yeah, right. Why should I take five seconds of my time reporting you for personal insults when you’re happy to claim that “you have no understanding of baseball” is merely a comment on my post and not on me? If I were on the staff, and you were not, I have very little doubt that you would have been warned long ago for getting personal in a non-Pit thread. [Moderator Instruction] If you believe that my post constituted a personal insult, you are free to either report it or to take it up in ATMB. If you feel something deserves moderation in this thread, and has not been, you can also take it up in ATMB. But drop the hijack of this thread now. Colibri Moderator ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/107 "2010-11-14T15:21:56Z")
interesting article in the Times on Jeter’s [situation](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/sports/baseball/14araton.html?ref=sports). Aso James proprietary website recently included the idea that it would be best for the Yankees and Jeter to think of themselves as partners, not adversaries, in this contract negotiation, which makes sense to me, with the Yankees holding the upper hand. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/108 "2010-11-14T19:03:33Z")
The Yankees paid Jeter 189 million over 10 years. He has no bitch. Why should Jeter get a huge contract now? His contract should be equal to his ability to play. If he blew all the money, that would be his problem. If he has 100 million stashed, that is not the Yankees business. He should be paid for what he can do now. I wonder how many of the superstars of today who made mega millions can be talked into staying in the game after they retire? Lower level management and office work would not pay enough to get them up in the morning. They need to spend time in the minors to qualify for being a manager. Would they do that? Platers like Trammel and Gibson did not make that kind of money. They are working in the game. But would Arod? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/109 "2010-11-14T20:01:30Z")
> [@gonzomax](#): > > I wonder how many of the superstars of today who made mega millions can be talked into staying in the game after they retire? Lower level management and office work would not pay enough to get them up in the morning. They need to spend time in the minors to qualify for being a manager. Would they do that? :dubious: The following big league managers never coached in the minors: Dusty Baker Ozzie Guillen Kirk Gibson Joe Girardi Don Mattingly Joe Torre ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/110 "2010-11-14T20:11:26Z")
They still did not make Jeter type money when they played… They also were bench coaches and base coaches. They did not suddenly become managers. Actually Trammel practically did in Detroit where he was a big fan favorite. But I recall him spending time as asst. coach . ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/111 "2010-11-14T20:21:03Z")
Who said anything about money? You made a comment about needing to manage in the minor leagues, not being a bench coach in the bigs. Probably my mistake for not being able to understand that when you say one thing, you actually mean something else. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/112 "2010-11-14T20:59:14Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](#): > > Who said anything about money? You made a comment about needing to manage in the minor leagues, not being a bench coach in the bigs. Probably my mistake for not being able to understand that when you say one thing, you actually mean something else. I clearly did in post 108. I said what I meant and i meant what I said. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/113 "2010-11-14T21:10:41Z")
Don’t be so obtuse. I am only talking about your assertion that big league managers NEED to spend time coaching in the minors, nothing else. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2010, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/114 "2010-11-14T21:27:35Z")
Why can’t you guys just play nice? Let’s rise above these niggling differences. Thanks for your civility and cooperation. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/115 "2010-11-18T14:51:15Z")
Heard this morning the Yankees offered Jeter 3 years, $21mil and they don’t mind playing hardball. Jeter wants more years, of course. Someone in the organization was quoted as saying, “Where else is he going to go? Cincinnati?” I hope he goes somewhere else so I don’t have to continue hating him. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/116 "2010-11-18T15:01:06Z")
Indeed, very well-paid superstar players, after playing retirement, aren’t going to be enticed by the salaries for either minor league managing or major league coaching jobs. For that matter, they’re not going to be greatly enticed by any of the non-playing salaries anywhere in baseball; if any of them stay active in the game, it will have to be because they really want to. On the other hand, there’s no particular reason to think that superstar players make _good_ coaches and managers. Some would, no doubt–but not at a higher rate than guys who were just-pretty-good players. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/117 "2010-11-18T16:31:52Z")
JC Bradbury, the author of the Sabernomics baseball blog, gave an interview to Baseball Prospectus this week, and the topic of Derek Jeter came up. Here’s what Bradbury had to say: > [@](#): > > Interviewer: Derek Jeter is, at least technically, a free agent. What is his value to the Yankees relative to what it would be to other teams? > > Bradbury: Jeter might be the most interesting player to look at, perhaps even in my lifetime, in that respect. There are few players that a large number of kids go to the ballpark and say, “I’m going to see that guy,” and in this case they’re all Yankees fans. So Jeter and the Yankees are both in a quandary, because they both know that the other is more valuable when they’re together. What they have is a bilateral-monopoly bargaining position. Jeter knows that the Yankees are willing to pay him more and the Yankees know that he’ll work for less. > > Pretty much no other team in the league is going to be able to offer a comparable salary. Jeter is also very wealthy and may just not want to be shown up. So there is really a chance to strut around, and the Yankees may try to lowball Jeter, and Jeter may try to get more money out of them, but in the end they’re more valuable together than they are apart. [Link](http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=12451), for those with a BP subscription. ---
**Author:** ![Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/a183cd/32.png) [@Barkis\_is\_Willin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Barkis_is_Willin)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/118 "2010-11-18T16:56:27Z")
Hmm…I don’t think other teams would shy away from Jeter at $7mil per season. Someone out there would probably even make it a 5 year deal. I’m curious \*why \*other teams aren’t throwing numbers at Jeter, just for the simple reason to get the Yankees to increase their offer. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/119 "2010-11-18T17:00:45Z")
I think that’s 21 mil per year, not for all three years. Oddly, 21 mil for all three years is MUCH closer to his actual market value. I can’t see why they won’t offer him 8 or 9 mil for one season, and risk getting into a bidding war, which they can easily win. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270/120 "2010-11-18T17:03:38Z")
Yep, the stories i’m seeing suggest 3 years at a total of $62m. That is a crazy huge offer for someone of his age. Apparently Jeter wants a 4-year deal. If i were the Yankees, i’d say, “Fine, we’ll give you 4 years for $62m.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yankees-overpaying-jeter/560270.md?page=7)