# Yay for women voters, they're the ones turning this election for Harris **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** kamala-harris\ **Created:** [August 17, 2024, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814 "2024-08-17T01:41:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/1 "2024-08-17T01:41:09Z")
In national polls, when it was Trump vs Biden, Trump was winning the male vote by +9 and Biden was winning the female vote by +4 Now that its Harris vs Trump, Trump is still winning the male vote by +9, but now Harris is winning the female vote by +11. If Harris wins the ‘safe’ democratic states but also wins WI, MI and PA, she wins 270 EVs exactly and wins the election. Under Trump vs Biden, Trump was +17 with men and Biden +10 with women in these 3 states. Now under Trump vs Harris, Trump is +15 with men and Harris is +17 with women. Men barely moved under Trump, but women made a huge shift. Keep in mind women make up something like 52-53% of voters. This is great news. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW\_rYBeyBFk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW_rYBeyBFk) ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/2 "2024-08-17T02:20:24Z")
Yay! I hope we can hang in. Add black men moving over and it’s a done deal. Which I believe will happen. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/3 "2024-08-17T02:34:09Z")
How many of those young women will actually turn out when it comes time to vote? ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/4 "2024-08-17T02:35:56Z")
> [@Beckdawrek](#): > > Yay! I hope we can hang in. > > Add black men moving over and it’s a done deal. > Which I believe will happen. That would be awesome. According to this, only 4% of voters in 2020 were black men (which sounds low), but 19% of them voted for Trump. If that needle moves just a little bit in states like PA, WI & MI, that could also help swing the election. > **[National Results 2020 President exit polls.](https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/national-results)** > > See National Results 2020 President exit polls. [https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/black-population-by-state](https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/black-population-by-state) ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/5 "2024-08-17T02:36:48Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > How many of those young women will actually turn out when it comes time to vote? > > ~Max I don’t know. Like I said though, female voters make up 52% of voters vs 48% for men. Also democrats have been outperforming polls ever since Roe was overturned, due to voters being angry about the GOP judges overturning this case. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/6 "2024-08-17T02:38:01Z")
Straight dope: > **[Cross-Tabs: August 2024 Times/Siena Poll of the Likely Electorate in...](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/08/10/us/elections/times-siena-poll-likely-electorate-crosstabs.html)** > > Results of New York Times/Siena College polls of Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin conducted among 1,973 likely voters from Aug. 5 to 9, 2024. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/7 "2024-08-17T03:05:22Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > Also democrats have been outperforming polls ever since Roe was overturned, due to voters being angry about the GOP judges overturning this case. Yet female voter turnout in 2022 was lower, not higher, than 2018. ~Max ---
**Author:** ![UDS1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/e47774/32.png) [@UDS1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UDS1)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 3:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/8 "2024-08-17T03:09:23Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > Yet female voter turnout in 2022 was lower, not higher, than 2018. Female turnout variation from election to election is not that important, though, is it? If we’re looking at sex-linked differenced in candidate preference, what will matter in 2024 is not whether female participation is higher than female participation in 2022, but whether it is higher than male participation in 2024. ---
**Author:** ![illoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a3d4f5/32.png) [@illoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/illoe)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/9 "2024-08-17T03:15:17Z")
Women who are paying attention should vote overwhelmingly for every Democrat across the board. It’s life and death at this point— women with ectopic pregnancies in some states are bringing suit (or dying). A trending question on search engines is “can my husband find out who I vote for?” ---
**Author:** ![illoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a3d4f5/32.png) [@illoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/illoe)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/10 "2024-08-17T03:17:01Z")
Also, can we please not use “females?” [https://wapo.st/4cqXzyF](https://wapo.st/4cqXzyF) ETA “female voters” is grammatically fine, of course. ---
**Author:** ![Max\_S](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/46a35a/32.png) [@Max\_S](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Max_S)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/11 "2024-08-17T03:26:09Z")
nm ~Max ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/12 "2024-08-17T03:40:10Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > > [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > > > Also democrats have been outperforming polls ever since Roe was overturned, due to voters being angry about the GOP judges overturning this case. > > Yet female voter turnout in 2022 was lower, not higher, than 2018. > > ~Max Based on what? Women voters made up 52% of voters in 2022, the same % they made up in 2020. [https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/general/us-house/0](https://www.cnn.com/election/2022/exit-polls/national-results/general/us-house/0) > **[After Roe’s End, Women Surged in Signing Up to Vote in Some States (Published...](https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/08/25/upshot/female-voters-dobbs.html)** > > The rise is particularly notable in states where abortion rights are at risk. > **[More Women Register to Vote After Supreme Court Abortion Decision](https://www.voanews.com/a/6768978.html)** > > Number of women registering to vote rose by 35% in 10 states after Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/13 "2024-08-17T04:27:03Z")
Thank you. It makes me cringe every time. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/14 "2024-08-17T04:39:53Z")
So is “females” like saying _the girls_, for adult women? (I couldn’t read your link without adding my email. I definitely didn’t want that. I get enough of that stuff already.) ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/15 "2024-08-17T04:48:44Z")
Calling people male or female makes me think breeding animals dogs, horses, etc. It just feels demeaning. It seems more so for women because certain men have historically used “female” in degrading ways. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/16 "2024-08-17T04:55:25Z")
> [@Wesley\_Clark](#): > > According to this, only 4% of voters in 2020 were black men (which sounds low), but 19% of them voted for Trump. If that needle moves just a little bit in states like PA, WI & MI, that could also help swing the election. I was just reading [this NYT article](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/11/us/politics/harris-black-men.html?unlocked_article_code=1.Dk4.G-WX.y4C47XZXTW42&smid=url-share) (gift link) which suggests Harris is working to bring Black men over to her side. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/17 "2024-08-17T06:31:48Z")
> [@illoe](#): > > Also, can we please not use “females?” > [https://wapo.st/4cqXzyF](https://wapo.st/4cqXzyF) > > ETA “female voters” is grammatically fine, of course. I understand terms like female can feel insulting, just like calling Kamala Harris a girl is insulting. I don’t want to derail the thread, its just that terms like ‘men voters’ or ‘women voters’ feel grammatically incorrect while male voters and female voters sounds more correct. Meanwhile phrases like ‘voters who are female’ feels much more degrading than the phrase ‘voters who are women’. Meanwhile ‘men’s vote’ and ‘women’s vote’ sound correct, just less accurate than male vote or female vote. Female vote sounds like a description of the overall womens vote. Female voters sounds like an individualistic description that could have nothing to do with voting patterns Its too bad George Carlin is dead, he could do something with this. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/18 "2024-08-17T06:40:15Z")
> [@Sylvanz](#): > > It seems more so for women because certain men have historically used “female” in degrading ways. [![](http://m.quickmeme.com/img/f4/f45295c776d1631e114b953721eedc1bd42a5668c0d66b5f1fe16a713ea095e3.jpg) ](http://m.quickmeme.com/img/f4/f45295c776d1631e114b953721eedc1bd42a5668c0d66b5f1fe16a713ea095e3.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Sylvanz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/fbc32d/32.png) [@Sylvanz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sylvanz)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/19 "2024-08-17T17:46:48Z")
Yeah, at least that guy. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![illoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/a3d4f5/32.png) [@illoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/illoe)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814/20 "2024-08-17T19:14:23Z")
Thanks for breaking this down. Begging some forgiveness from the mods for briefly continuing this line (hoping that we can go back to polls and statistics soon!) My sense is that “female” as a noun is always problematic. Women are people; females are chattel. “Female” as an adjective is typically fine, especially when paired with “male” as a descriptor. While no one in this thread has used “female” in quite the problematic way that @Sylvanz noted above, there are many sentences that could have be easily been reframed to speak about women as people. In the zeitgeist of this post-Roe election where women are being denied emergency care to placate religious zealots who value a union of haploid cells more than an actual human; where women (and girls) are being forced to carry pregnancies from rape and incest to term, where women are at risk of sepsis from carrying unviable fetuses to term, where women cannot decide to terminate a pregnancy that will end in stillbirth or a painful death of a much-wanted child in a way that preserves their health and moral dignity, where women are at risk of orphaning existing children or losing hope for future children because they have to travel to another state when they are bleeding out from an ectopic pregnancy— In the context of a national conversation where JD Vance agrees with a statement about “the purpose of the post-menopausal female” — in this context, seeing “female,” even as a properly used adjective, plastered across the screen is a reminder of our lost agency as human beings, as people, as women. I’m a prescriptivist at heart and hold precision in language in high esteem. But I’ve come around to “them” and “they” as respectful pronouns and think I can come around to using “women” as an adjective, given the poisoned ground we’re treading just now. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yay-for-women-voters-theyre-the-ones-turning-this-election-for-harris/1005814.md?page=2)