# Yelling at each other about 9/11 (Split from the "How has Trump pissed you off today" thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482 "2024-08-09T02:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/261 "2024-08-13T13:20:58Z")
Note that proportionally, a soda can’s walls are mych much thicker than an airliner’s are, too. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/262 "2024-08-13T13:24:10Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > That’s just what _they_ want you to think. You only believe that because of the chemtrails. Man, the rabbit hole is getting deeper. One thing I didn’t see in the sky for days after 9/11 was chemtrails! ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/263 "2024-08-13T13:25:00Z")
Is the airliner on a treadmill? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/264 "2024-08-13T13:30:24Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > Man, the rabbit hole is getting deeper. One thing I didn’t see in the sky for days after 9/11 was chemtrails! Or rabbits! I didn’t see rabbits in the sky! ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/265 "2024-08-13T13:35:06Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Including the basic factual errors of the timeline of WTC7 collapse Not to mention that 7’s debris pattern indicated it split apart as it fell. Most of it crossed the street and fell on the CUNY building at 30 West Broadway; the rest slid into the Verizon building next door. Certainly not “one neat footprint”. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/266 "2024-08-13T13:39:04Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > So, would a tower on the edge of a flat Earth hit by an airliner tip and fall over the edge or still collapse straight down? It depends of whether the airliner is on a treadmill. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/267 "2024-08-13T13:52:08Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > To some of them, one of whom I encountered on the IMDb boards, it’s impossible for an airplane to crash into a building in the first place! Some person on the SDMB, I don’t think Biffster, said that the planes would bounce off of the buildings and just fall to the ground. (IT’S TAKING LONGER THAN WE THOUGHT) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/268 "2024-08-13T13:54:55Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > Some person on the SDMB, I don’t think Biffster, Might have been the same person from the IMDb. We’ve had at least two pushers of “truth” from there; they didn’t last long. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/269 "2024-08-13T13:55:12Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > planes would bounce off of the buildings and just fall to the ground Would they make an amusing boing sound? Or, more of a plunk? Or, maybe a bonk sound, like a coconut? ---
**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/270 "2024-08-13T14:18:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > An aluminum tube traveling at that speed is going to disintegrate when it hits a solid surface, not remain in plane-sized pieces. See also pics of the ValuJet 592 crash in the Everglades. The DC nosedived into the swamp and all you could see at first glance was… [scorched swamp](https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/6dh8oa/picture252996113/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/9655110122.JPG). . ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/271 "2024-08-13T14:32:38Z")
I guess it’s hard to accept that people are such fragile creatures. We are though. Planes are fragile too. In Civil Air Patrol, once brought back all that could be found for a Cessna 172. It fit in the back of a Chevy short bed pick up. The engine and tail, sort of ‘intact’ (my bother was on that work) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/272 "2024-08-13T14:33:42Z")
It’s funny that all these misconceptions seem to come from the fact that they don’t realize that both planes _and_ skyscrapers are basically empty shells filled with air. ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/273 "2024-08-13T14:38:33Z")
Human beings are terrible with different scales. Comes with evolving for survival on the veldt. Planes and skyscrapers might as well be 100 foot thick granite walls to a person. But not so much in the grand scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/274 "2024-08-13T15:26:18Z")
> [@JRDelirious](#): > > See also pics of the ValuJet 592 crash in the Everglades. The DC nosedived into the swamp and all you could see at first glance was… [scorched swamp](https://www.miamiherald.com/latest-news/6dh8oa/picture252996113/alternates/LANDSCAPE_1140/9655110122.JPG). > > . But when I was at Universal Studios I saw an airplane that had been shot down by aliens and it was far more intact: [![](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh39Ret97MIIu1YSFHUvYfndZixPCgC8Eu87j85wKtpybjWe_Ihb8n2tRx3HvBEjGzGQ2SEGtgS98icCLl8n21uQfmok5A7pswp6mbUHK97e40bDTfIXAkQ3yXbTt_RoHLz8aSahQwm4Ac/s280/War+of+the+Worlds+Universal+Studios+backlot+set.jpg) ](https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh39Ret97MIIu1YSFHUvYfndZixPCgC8Eu87j85wKtpybjWe_Ihb8n2tRx3HvBEjGzGQ2SEGtgS98icCLl8n21uQfmok5A7pswp6mbUHK97e40bDTfIXAkQ3yXbTt_RoHLz8aSahQwm4Ac/s280/War+of+the+Worlds+Universal+Studios+backlot+set.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/275 "2024-08-13T16:04:41Z")
Yeah, in Civil Air Patrol, we didn’t look for airplanes, we looked for odd, unexplained disturbances on the ground. A few downed trees was also a good clue. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/276 "2024-08-13T16:25:49Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > One thing I didn’t see in the sky for days after 9/11 was chemtrails! That took me a few beats to catch. Good one. > [@Great\_Antibob](#): > > Human beings are terrible with different scales. Also with different contexts. If you’ve developed the intuition to estimate horizontal distances, you’d think that it would translate to vertical distances. But it doesn’t. If you’re looking down into a hole, the distance looks much larger than the same distance looking along the ground. You need to develop an intuition for vertical distances separately. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/277 "2024-08-13T16:36:18Z")
> [@RitterSport](#): > > Would they make an amusing boing sound? Well, they _were_ Boeings. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/278 "2024-08-13T16:47:28Z")
Noice. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/279 "2024-08-13T19:46:54Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > Sorry for the small nitpick. You did an excellent job of patiently explaining the facts. No need for apologies - that was an excellent explanation of some of the points I had missed and a welcome addition. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2024, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/280 "2024-08-13T23:30:37Z")
This discussion has, tangentially, sent me down a rabbit hole of wondering what happens when/if the Leaning Tower of Pisa collapses. I mean, if there was ever a building that intuitively LOOKED like it ought to go TIMMMBERRRR and tip over describing a graceful arc before hitting the ground horizontally, that’s the one. But, for instance, earthquake simulations like [this one](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SbhCuCv4Y_k) make it very clear that even the LTP would essentially just collapse straight down. Even a heavy medieval stone tower is mostly an empty shell filled with air. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=15)