# Yelling at each other about 9/11 (Split from the "How has Trump pissed you off today" thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482 "2024-08-09T02:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/301 "2024-08-14T20:01:33Z")
Thanks for that. That looks like a pretty horrible experience. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/302 "2024-08-14T20:23:23Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > So besides differences in building construction, there were immense differences in the nature of the projectiles that hit the buildings. - > > Plugging the numbers into a kinetic energy calculator shows the airliners each carried 97 times the energy of the bomber. Yeah, I get the same number. So in round numbers, each 767 impacted the tower with nearly 100 times – two orders of magnitude – more force and energy than the B-25 that hit the Empire State Building, plus on top of that the latent energy of thousands of gallons of jet fuel. ---
**Author:** ![Wolf333](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolf333/32/3460_2.png) [@Wolf333](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wolf333)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/303 "2024-08-14T20:39:52Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FzF1KySHmUA/maxresdefault.jpg "For the undying 9/11 MORONIC JET FUEL ARGUMENT") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzF1KySHmUA) This is a video of a blacksmith describing what happens when steel is heated to 1800 degrees, which is hotter than jet fuel but not how enough to melt. Short version: it gets really weak. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 8:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/304 "2024-08-14T20:50:01Z")
A useful video, but I wasn’t questioning why WTC 1 & 2 collapsed. I was questioning why WTC7 collapsed later that same day, you know, the one that hadn’t been hit by a plane carrying jet fuel. Several wise and polite individuals have given their explanations for this. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/305 "2024-08-14T21:34:22Z")
And have you accepted any of these explanations and, if so, which ones? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/306 "2024-08-14T21:48:10Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I was questioning why WTC7 collapsed later that same day, you know, the one that hadn’t been hit by a plane carrying jet fuel. Because it was hit by a building, and caught fire, and no one could get in there to put the fire out. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/307 "2024-08-14T22:18:14Z")
> [@Wolf333](#): > > This is a video of a blacksmith describing what happens when steel is heated to 1800 degrees, which is hotter than jet fuel but not how enough to melt. > > Short version: it gets really weak. With the caveat that I’m no expert in these matters, but when we talk about “how hot” something burns, we’re assuming nominal conditions, typically small quantities at ordinary atmospheric pressure and temperature. But there’s no hard limit to how hot a fire can become as long as heat is being injected into it faster than heat can escape and the burning substance can continue to burn. Thus, while traditional blast furnaces typically burn coke, more modern ones are augmented with natural gas even though gas doesn’t burn at a particularly high temperature. The temperature inside the core of a large forest fire can reach **[as high as 2000°F](https://www.usda.gov/media/blog/2019/07/29/multiagency-effort-goes-deep-inside-fire)** even though it’s basically just burning wood, and rapidly burning jet fuel likely produced even hotter core temperatures because of the extremely rapid large-scale combustion. Our friend the blacksmith should maybe have been even more emphatic in his dismissal of the CT cranks, because temperatures inside parts of the WTC may have been even higher than the 1800°F that he showed turning structural steel into a noodle. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2024, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/308 "2024-08-14T22:36:41Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Several wise and polite individuals have given their explanations for this. Excellent. Have your other questions been answered as well? If not, which ones remain? ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 12:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/309 "2024-08-15T00:51:51Z")
Remember, he has not actually said that _any_ of the answers given have been accepted by him. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/310 "2024-08-15T03:18:51Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > Because it was hit by a building, and caught fire _That_ burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/311 "2024-08-15T05:37:24Z")
And then the swamp caught on fire. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 1:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/312 "2024-08-15T13:15:22Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > With the caveat that I’m no expert in these matters, but when we talk about “how hot” something burns, we’re assuming nominal conditions, typically small quantities at ordinary atmospheric pressure and temperature. But there’s no hard limit to how hot a fire can become as long as heat is being injected into it faster than heat can escape and the burning substance can continue to burn. An ordinary furniture fire brought down a single-story steel building, roughly the equivalent of a single floor in either Tower, in less than an hour. > **[Charleston Sofa Super Store fire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charleston_Sofa_Super_Store_fire)** > > The Charleston Sofa Super Store fire disaster occurred on the evening of June 18, 2007, in Charleston, South Carolina, and killed nine firefighters. This was the deadliest firefighter disaster in the US since the September 11 attacks. Though the fire was believed to have started in some discarded furniture in the loading dock area, the exact source of ignition remains undetermined. After the fire, the store was demolished and bought by Charleston and a fire station was built nearby. > The fire o... [47 floors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center_(1987%E2%80%932001)) of foam-padded office furniture could get quite hot, no jet fuel needed. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/313 "2024-08-15T14:20:29Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [47 floors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center_(1987%E2%80%932001)) of foam-padded office furniture could get quite hot, no jet fuel needed. I feel like this is a lead-in to another JD Vance joke… ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/314 "2024-08-15T14:55:28Z")
No jet fuel but plenty of lube and Scotchgard. Quite hot! ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/315 "2024-08-15T19:32:38Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > I feel like this is a lead-in to another JD Vance joke… His flag is at half-mast every 6/18 in remembrance. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/316 "2024-08-15T21:26:00Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [47 floors](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_World_Trade_Center_(1987%E2%80%932001)) of foam-padded office furniture could get quite hot, Hot? That couch was SMOKIN! Vance knows the lingo: he’s a PUA, looking for a SHC ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2024, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/317 "2024-08-15T22:06:13Z")
aw never mind ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/318 "2024-08-16T18:23:25Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I don’t need lectures from assholes, thank you very much. I’m glad I went to college, and I learned a lot… … because I listened to lectures from assholes. ---
**Author:** ![not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/not_what_you_d_expect/32/3246_2.png) [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/not_what_you_d_expect)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/319 "2024-08-16T19:40:29Z")
Pickup Artist and Single Hot Couch. Guessing. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2024, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/320 "2024-08-16T20:40:10Z")
> [@not\_what\_you\_d\_expect](#): > > Pickup Artist and Single Hot Couch. How about this thing? [![](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1d187cbb68c68ee4076af31c828ce91d/tumblr_pn07bymoBb1u8imavo1_640.jpg) ](https://64.media.tumblr.com/1d187cbb68c68ee4076af31c828ce91d/tumblr_pn07bymoBb1u8imavo1_640.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=15) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=17)