# Yelling at each other about 9/11 (Split from the "How has Trump pissed you off today" thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482 "2024-08-09T02:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/21 "2024-08-09T17:43:54Z")
[Moderating] I’ve moved this hijack to its own thread. I’m also locking it for now, under the “tired topics” rule. Although pending a check-in with the other mods, I may reopen it, given that it seems there’s quite a few people still interested in talking about it, and the Pit seems a reasonable place for dealing with this particular brand of idiocy. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/22 "2024-08-09T17:44:02Z")
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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/23 "2024-08-10T03:53:54Z")
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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/24 "2024-08-10T03:54:19Z")
[Moderating] Reopened. Have fun. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/25 "2024-08-10T04:37:09Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > from how did WTC7 collapse Huge burning chunks of one of the towers fell on it, and it was left to burn until it collapsed. This isn’t controversial or complex. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 4:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/26 "2024-08-10T04:38:35Z")
It is if you keep asking the same questions over and over again until someone, _anyone_, tells you what you want to hear. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/27 "2024-08-10T04:51:40Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Reopened. Have fun. Meh. I already said everything I need to say on the topic. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/28 "2024-08-10T05:03:06Z")
It is a painfully tired subject. It breaks my heart to think people can’t just grieve and have to be subjected to people making crap up and posting drivel that just makes no damn sense. When their loved one is clearly dead from the horrific events caused by terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 5:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/29 "2024-08-10T05:08:14Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Reopened. Have fun. Is that what this is? I’ve been hearing 9/11 ‘truthers’ for more than two decades, and they repeat the same hearsay ‘claims’, nonsense ‘logic’, and completely false assertions about how fires burn and skyscrapers collapse, and yet not one of them can explain how a conspiracy of this scale, requiring the participation of hundreds of people (at a minimum) could persist for over twenty years without a deathbed confession or someone drunkenly boasting about the biggest scam job in history when just a decade and a half previous some of the smartest guys in the intelligence community couldn’t manage an arms for hostages deal and illegally equipping and training some counterrevolutionary rebels in a banana republic that most people couldn’t find on a map into a total shitshow. Thousands of people died on the day of the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon (and yes, wreckage was found at both sites, just not in large pieces recognizable as an aircraft because planes are not tanks) and more on American Flight 93, and then thousands more first responders and military members send to fight tHe pointless ”War on Terror” due to toxic exposures, IEDs, and trauma-related suicide. Spinning out patently false conspiranoia dishonors the sacrifices of those who stepped up in a time of need and mocks the heartbreak of those who lost parents, children, brothers, sisters, and friends. It’s fucking stupid, mean, and inane. @Biffster, unless you are coming in with some kind of novel, verifiable evidence or testimony of a credible conspirator, knock it the fuck off with the ‘just asking questions’ schtick, you shitburning moron. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 7:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/30 "2024-08-10T07:37:05Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > It’s fucking stupid, mean, and inane. @Biffster, unless you are coming in with some kind of novel, verifiable evidence or testimony of a credible conspirator, knock it the fuck off with the ‘just asking questions’ schtick, you shitburning moron. Listen, asshole: if you have a problem with someone even asking QUESTIONS on the subject, then the issue is clearly with you, not me. WTC7 came down in about 10 seconds later the same day on 9/11. Check out the footage. I’m not suggesting a conspiracy; I’m saying that was pretty fucking weird. If you’re going to insult me some more, I suppose that’s your right. Fucking jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 7:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/31 "2024-08-10T07:39:27Z")
> [@Telemark](#): > > Huge burning chunks of one of the towers fell on it, and it was left to burn until it collapsed. This isn’t controversial or complex. Cite? The only footage I’ve seen is from the street, where it collapses into one neat footprint in about 10 seconds. Not typical for a 47 storey office tower. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 7:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/32 "2024-08-10T07:48:26Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > WTC7 came down in about 10 seconds later the same day on 9/11. Check out the footage. I’m not suggesting a conspiracy; I’m saying that was pretty fucking weird. Weird compared to what? How many uncontrolled skyscraper collapses have you observed in order to establish a baseline? ---
**Author:** ![Sandwich](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/22d042/32.png) [@Sandwich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sandwich)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 7:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/33 "2024-08-10T07:55:50Z")
I’m really disappointed this has been moved to the pit. For a moment I was sure that THIS would be the thread that revealed the real truth about 9/11. Oh well, never mind. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 7:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/34 "2024-08-10T07:57:29Z")
Only on video, prolly same as you. WTC7 was a block away from the other two, which had both collapsed about seven or so hours earlier. WTC7 had not been hit by a plane like the other two, although it was hit by some falling debris, but still it collapsed in a heap, all 47 storeys of it. I just find it hard to believe, and that’s my right. You can believe whatever you want. Only time I know of in history where a steel and concrete building collapsed like that. Please feel free to provide other examples if you know of any. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/35 "2024-08-10T08:07:38Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Only on video, prolly same as you. I.e. in movies. Movie physics and real physics shall never meet. > [@Biffster](#): > > Only time I know of in history where a steel and concrete building collapsed like that. Right. It’s _literally_ the only time in history that a building that size has collapsed under those circumstances. If you think it shouldn’t have looked like it did, when it is literally the only example in existence of how that thing should look, then your expectations are wrong, not reality. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/36 "2024-08-10T08:09:38Z")
Yep. Same questions over and over and fucking over again. You are much too busy to hear the answers because it gets in the way of JAQing off. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/37 "2024-08-10T08:09:57Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I just find it hard to believe, and that’s my right. The character in your avatar would not want to be associated with you and your lack of critical thinking skills. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 8:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/38 "2024-08-10T08:26:41Z")
Oh, for God’s sake. Let me make this very simple for you. If you don’t bother to take less than 60 seconds to read this, you really are JAQ-ing off. This is from [the three-year NIST investigation](https://www.nist.gov/world-trade-center-investigation/study-faqs/wtc-7-investigation). • 7 World Trade Center was NOT a block away from the Twin Towers. It was about only 370 feet away. •The debris that hit the building when the North Tower collapsed started several fires on the lower floors. • There was very little water pressure because the city’s nearby water supply lines had been heavily damaged when each of the Twin Towers collapsed. The firefighters therefore had no choice but to let it burn. •The building collapsed because the uncontrolled fires weakened an essential column. You can see the sequence at the link posted above. •There were no fatalities in 7 WTC because the occupants, who’d had fire drills just days before, evacuated when the Twin Towers were hit. •It finally collapsed at 5:20 PM, seven hours after it caught fire. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 8:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/39 "2024-08-10T08:28:48Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Right. It’s _literally_ the only time in history that a building that size has collapsed under those circumstances. If you think it shouldn’t have looked like it did, when it is literally the only example in existence of how that thing should look, then your expectations are wrong, not reality. Perhaps. But the footage I’ve seen sure looked similar to what a controlled demolition looks like. Just saying. You’re right in that there are not a lot of comparitors to that day. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/40 "2024-08-10T08:30:35Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > Yep. Same questions over and over and fucking over again. You are much too busy to hear the answers because it gets in the way of JAQing off Feel free to ignore them if they bother you. If enough people don’t respond, the thread will disappear. But don’t be such a jerk about it in the meantime. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=3)