# Yelling at each other about 9/11 (Split from the "How has Trump pissed you off today" thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482 "2024-08-09T02:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 12:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/61 "2024-08-10T12:35:41Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The whole reason this is in the Pit is that what you are saying is infuriating. People don’t like that there are still people pushing this nonsense. Thank you for a mostly respectful reply. I thought the Straight Dope was a cite for intelligent conversation, but hoo boy, do some people get their panties in a bunch on this particular topic. To question the “official narrative” does not make one a conspiracy theorist, no matter how much some of you think it does. CPs I’ve seen for 9/11 don’t make a lot of sense: when would people have had time to plant explosives for a controlled demolition, for example? And why? We know there were 19 hijackers, all from Saudi Arabia (not sure why the US didn’t attack that country instead of Iraq), and we know that this was the first time an attack like this was carried out on US soil. This is not in dispute. It was a horrible tragedy. What I find bizarre for such an otherwise intelligent forum is the lack of open-mindedness on this particular topic. A person can’t even ask questions, for fuck’s sake. That is not the sign of a healthy forum, and telling me what I think is an insult. Clearly, you don’t know me. People, you can do better. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/62 "2024-08-10T12:40:43Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > People, you can do better. We did do better. For the first five years. The next five years were exhausting and annoying. The five years after that were just infuriating. And now it’s not worth anyone’s time to argue with someone who’s STILL stuck on the same old bullshit that’s been debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked and debunked. Pull your head out. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/63 "2024-08-10T12:48:39Z")
> [@Saint\_Cad](#): > > So what does it say about you who refuses to accept ANY answer that contradicts what you want to be true? Your position is “Give me answers that agree with me or fuck you!” It would be a lot easier to digest your wise answers if they weren’t presented in such a harsh, assoholic tone. I have not heard a number of ideas before and I would like to investigate them further. But jeez Louise, you people have got to stop coming across as so PREACHY. I have lost a lot of respect for some people I used to look up to. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/64 "2024-08-10T12:52:08Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > To question the “official narrative” does not make one a conspiracy theorist, no matter how much some of you think it does. Ah, there it is. Every fucking time. Denying basic reality is not “questioning the official narrative”. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/65 "2024-08-10T12:53:05Z")
> If you run into an asshole in the morning, you ran into an asshole. If you run into assholes all day, you’re the asshole. ― Raylan Givens “Justified” Just some random quote that popped into my head. Not intended to have _any relevance whatsoever_ to _anything or anybody_ on this thread. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/66 "2024-08-10T13:02:13Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > and yes, wreckage was found at both sites, just not in large pieces recognizable as an aircraft because planes are not tanks If you threw a tank out of the sky at a concrete building, it would certainly penetrate much deeper into the building than a plane would, and rather than a debris field you might have a solid hunk of metal, but I’m not sure how tank shaped that hunk of metal would actually be. Tanks are tough, but they also have a very high terminal velocity. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/67 "2024-08-10T13:05:00Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Cite? The only footage I’ve seen is from the street, where it collapses into one neat footprint in about 10 seconds. Not typical for a 47 storey office tower. Did you consider the fact that the plane would have been carrying [tanks full of the mind control agent they make chemtrails out of?](https://xkcd.com/966/) Who _knows_ how hot that stuff burns! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/68 "2024-08-10T13:07:22Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Can you name any other steel and concrete office buildings in history that collapsed due to fire damage? Can you name any other steel and concrete office buildings in history that were drenched in chemtrail mind control agent? Check mate! ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/69 "2024-08-10T13:08:31Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > We don’t all have the same life experience or exposure to the same evidence. Or the same exposure to lead based paint chips, apparently. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/70 "2024-08-10T13:09:00Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Tanks are tough, but they also have a very high terminal velocity. Are you telling me the _A-Team_ movie lied to us? ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/71 "2024-08-10T13:09:04Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Gotta confess, 9/11 is one of those disasters that I don’t fully comprehend, from how did WTC7 collapse, to where’s was the wreckage of TWO airliners, both in Shanksville and the Pentagon? Don’t overlook the possibility that you’re just not very bright. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/72 "2024-08-10T13:12:23Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > To question the “official narrative” does not make one a conspiracy theorist, no matter how much some of you think it does. Actually it quite literally does, since in order for the official narrative to be wrong you’d need to come up with an explanation (a theory if you will) that includes thousands of people keeping the truth suppressed (a conspiracy). ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/73 "2024-08-10T13:17:58Z")
If I may offer a _slightly_ more thoughtful, \*post-\*coffee response… In High School English Composition class, we had a book report to do. The list of books on which we **could not** report was provided to us – most of the classics, long ago done to death. On that list was “Catcher In The Rye.” Despite clearly understanding the assignment and its constraints, I decided to write about _Catcher,_ intending to _prove_ that its protagonist, Holden Caulfield, was gay. My paper received a grade of “F.” When I spoke to the teacher, she made it clear that I hadn’t followed the instructions for the assignment, and that nobody was to write about books that had “utterly been done to death.” “But has _anybody ever_ tried to prove the thesis that I set out to prove?” No. Nobody had. It didn’t matter. @Biffster ? You chose a topic from a list of Done To Death topics on the SDMB, and then set about _not even_ bringing anything novel to the discussion. Why do you expect a warm welcome, given both of those things are true? ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/74 "2024-08-10T13:19:39Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Actually it quite literally does, since in order for the official narrative to be wrong you’d need to come up with an explanation (a theory if you will) that includes thousands of people keeping the truth suppressed (a conspiracy). No you don’t. You can say,”well it was unusual the way WTC7 collapsed like that” or “odd that there was no plane wreckage in either Shanksville or the Pentagon” without having to come up with some outlandish explanation involving conspiracies. If you can’t handle any questions at all, and I’m sorry, but I was not part of the conversation 23 FUCKING YEARS AGO, then maybe you’re not as open-minded as you think you are. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/75 "2024-08-10T13:22:36Z")
It is literally impossible to explain away the thousands of people who watched these events, picked up debris, tagged dead bodies, without it being a conspiracy. _By definition_. Have zero idea how you can live in a world where random EMT’s, firemen, first responders, etc, did not notice they were _not_ working a plane crash and remain sane. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/76 "2024-08-10T13:23:40Z")
One last comment here. It’s better to dig your heels in when you’ve both done your homework _and_ you’re right: > [@Trump to attend Black journalists' convention](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-attend-black-journalists-convention/1005016/378): > > “Where’s my black guy?” > [@Trump to attend Black journalists' convention](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-attend-black-journalists-convention/1005016/379): > > To be fair, I think the comment in question was: Oh, look at my African American over here Which, if I’m being honest, isn’t even infinitesimally less disgusting. But … y’know … accuracy in all things wink[SOURCE](https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/12/politics/trump-my-african-american-cheadle-rally-blake/index.html) > [@Trump to attend Black journalists' convention](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-attend-black-journalists-convention/1005016/380): > > It wasn’t though. I distinctly remember him saying “black guy” and thinking, well that was awkward. Didn’t even give the guy a name, prolly because he didn’t know what it was. > [@Trump to attend Black journalists' convention](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-to-attend-black-journalists-convention/1005016/381): > > 39 second YouTube [video](https://www.google.com/search?q=where%27s+my+african-american&oq=where%27s+my+african-american&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARAuGEDSAQgxOTA3ajBqMagCCLACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:e7cf3d9a,vid:KcklUUIsdcw,st:0). ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/77 "2024-08-10T13:23:50Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > @Biffster ? You chose a topic from a list of Done To Death topics on the SDMB, and then set about _not even_ bringing anything novel to the discussion. > > Why do you expect a warm welcome, given both of those things are true? I would expect people to move on if they don’t like the topic. I don’t expect them to turn into assholes. And I think your Catcher hypothesis sounds interesting, though I’ve never read it. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/78 "2024-08-10T13:24:28Z")
The world didn’t behave in the exact way that you expected it would, huh? Welcome to the world. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/79 "2024-08-10T13:25:32Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > One last comment here. It’s better to dig your heels in when you’ve both done your homework _and_ you’re right: Yes, I was wrong on that one. Feel better now? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/80 "2024-08-10T13:27:56Z")
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