# Yelling at each other about 9/11 (Split from the "How has Trump pissed you off today" thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482 "2024-08-09T02:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/81 "2024-08-10T13:38:53Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > then maybe you’re not as open-minded as you think you are. Whereas you are **so** open minded that your brains are all over the floor. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/82 "2024-08-10T13:40:01Z")
Mods, can we close this thread? It’s becoming quite tiresome, and I never meant to be split off into its own thread. Clearly, there are some topics that people completely lose their shit over, and this is one of them. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/83 "2024-08-10T13:43:28Z")
Just an FYI … this isn’t a new concept: > [@SDMB rules 9/12/2023](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/sdmb-rules-9-12-2023/990013/2): > > Continued from part 1 Rants. Criticism of off-board parties, including the occasional insult, is permitted in all forums. Rants and abuse, on the other hand, should be confined to the BBQ Pit. For example, if you want to argue that public figure X is a jerk based on some recent revelation, this might unobjectionably be posted in any of several forums. If you simply want to testify to X’s continuing jerkitude, do so in the Pit. Threads that degenerate into rants may be closed; the OP (original p… > Tired topics. The following subjects have been beaten to death on this board and are cIosed to further discussion. If you feel new information has come to light that warrants reopening of a tired topic, you are free to petition the staff, but be aware that you face a high bar: > 9/11 truthers, including but not limited to claims that 9/11 didn’t happen or was a false flag operation by the government. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/84 "2024-08-10T13:43:44Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > You can say,”well it was unusual the way WTC7 collapsed like that” or “odd that there was no plane wreckage in either Shanksville or the Pentagon” without having to come up with some outlandish explanation involving conspiracies. Yes, those are some of the false premises I previously referred to. Since there was plane wreckage at both locations and a perfectly reasonable explanation for the WTC collapse, believing otherwise requires, if not a full-on conspiracy, at least a healthy dose of delusion. It’s the same reason physicists don’t respond to every crackpot who sends them a scrawled thesis claiming to disprove Einstein. You can’t reason people out of positions based on ignorance and imaginary evidence, and life’s too short to spend it trying. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/85 "2024-08-10T13:44:01Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Mods, can we close this thread? It’s becoming quite tiresome, and I never meant to be split off into its own thread. Clearly, there are some topics that people completely lose their shit over, and this is one of them. Thank you. You should reconsider your avatar considering the level of logic you exhibit. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/86 "2024-08-10T13:45:16Z")
And probably some other life choices too. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/87 "2024-08-10T13:46:48Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > You should reconsider your avatar considering the level of logic you exhibit. Ahahaha! That’s funny. Keep my avatar out your fuckin’ mouth. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/88 "2024-08-10T13:51:02Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Ahahaha! That’s funny. Keep my avatar out your fuckin’ mouth. _licks monitor_ [Sgt. Schultz] "I taste _nothing!_ [/Sgt. Schultz] ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/89 "2024-08-10T13:52:02Z")
I think we should all change our avatars to pictures of Spock. ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/90 "2024-08-10T13:56:58Z")
Or at least add a beard ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/91 "2024-08-10T14:00:55Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I think we should all change our avatars to pictures of Spock. How about this one? [![](https://cdn.britannica.com/58/68558-050-573C7289/Benjamin-Spock-1970.jpg) ](https://cdn.britannica.com/58/68558-050-573C7289/Benjamin-Spock-1970.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/92 "2024-08-10T14:01:11Z")
> [@colinfred](#): > > Or at least add a beard That was a good episode. 😎 ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/93 "2024-08-10T14:08:41Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > What I find bizarre for such an otherwise intelligent forum is the lack of open-mindedness on this particular topic. You know where else I used to see exhortations for us to be “open-minded”? In the climate change denial threads we used to have here before such discussion was banned as a tired old topic that never led to anything productive. The term doesn’t mean what you seem to think it does. Open-mindedness means being willing to to consider new facts and being willing to modify an existing theory or conclusion as justified and supported by new information. Open-mindedness does **not** mean a willingness to discard proven, incontrovertible conclusions based on a vast wealth of unquestionable evidence in favour of someone’s uninformed, unsupported, and totally baseless opinion. The frustration you’re seeing here (which you choose to attribute to posters being “assholes”) is because even though it seems strange to be asking the kinds of questions you’re still asking 23 years after the fact, your questions were nevertheless answered, and yet you keep ignoring the answers and droning on about your unsupported beliefs. If you were actually open-minded, you would act the way I just described: consider the facts being presented to you, and when you find that they disprove your beliefs, change your beliefs. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/94 "2024-08-10T14:09:34Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > But jeez Louise, you people have got to stop coming across as so PREACHY. We preach because our answers are the God’s-honest truth. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/95 "2024-08-10T14:10:33Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > You can say,”well it was unusual the way WTC7 collapsed like that” or “odd that there was no plane wreckage in either Shanksville or the Pentagon” No, you can’t. Because; There was nothing unusual about the way WTC7 collapsed (unless you’d like to explain what was unusual). There was plane wreckage at both Shanksville and the Pentagon. ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/96 "2024-08-10T14:13:45Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Mods, can we close this thread? I object! When some idiot CTer opens up a Pit Thread to demonstrate just how unwilling they are to hear answers they don’t agree with then they deserve all of the pittings they get. BTW Biffster: is there ANY proof we can offer that would convince you 9/11 happened as it was reported? Or are you just going to deny any and all evidence? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/97 "2024-08-10T14:16:29Z")
> [@colinfred](#): > > Or at least add a beard I was thinking Spock would look good with my current avatar’s horns and goatee ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/98 "2024-08-10T14:18:19Z")
To be fair **Biffster** didn’t “open up a pit thread” ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/99 "2024-08-10T14:18:45Z")
He did open a can of worms, though ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/100 "2024-08-10T14:20:07Z")
> [@colinfred](#): > > To be fair **Biffster** didn’t “open up a pit thread” How did it start? I only saw this thread in the Pit [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=6)