# Yelling at each other about 9/11 (Split from the "How has Trump pissed you off today" thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482 "2024-08-09T02:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/161 "2024-08-11T03:37:04Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > You still haven’t answered whether you watched the video of what happens to an aircraft that hits a concrete wall at hundreds of mph. Here, I’ll make it easier for 'em; [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/4q35xHzjxB0/hqdefault.jpg "Plane and concrete wall") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q35xHzjxB0) ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/162 "2024-08-11T03:37:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > But that’s pretty clearly not what you want out of this conversation. Not given his attitude and the way he has spoken to me previously, no it has not. No one has the right to be rude to another member. I have barked back, yes, when I received shit and abuse. I don’t need to converse with people like Stranger. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/163 "2024-08-11T03:41:00Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > Here, I’ll make it easier for 'em; Yeah, I should have embedded the video in what ended up as post #2 of this thread. As of right now, 16 people have viewed the link I did post. I guess our Conspiracy Theorist wasn’t one of them. Just to help: The aircraft disintegrated into, basically, dust. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/164 "2024-08-11T03:42:24Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I have barked back, yes, when I received shit and abuse. Not true! You have been unfailingly polite, and we have been nothing but rude. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/165 "2024-08-11T03:43:10Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > You know, there are actual _pilots_ here; private pilots (like me), former fighter pilots, airline pilots, other General Aviation pilots, _all_ of whom have an interest in, and who have studied, air crash investigations. Believe me: Pilots talk about crashes all the time. _You_ have seen crashes that have identifiable aircraft. _Not all aircraft crashes are identifiable to the casual (non-pilot) observer as aircraft!_ Especially when the aircraft hits a solid object at hundreds of miles per hour. > > You still haven’t answered whether you watched the video of what happens to an aircraft that hits a concrete wall at hundreds of mph. If you _do_ watch it (though I suspect you won’t, because it diesn’t fit your pre-conceived ideas), please explain where the wreckage is. Thank you for the video. Yes it is very persuasive about what happens when a fighter jet hits concrete. Thank you for sharing it, and thanks to Smapti for making it easier to watch. I don’t doubt the wisdom of pilots; I just found some of the evidence in 9/11 bizarre. I’m allowed to feel that way and I don’t need to apologize for it. But again, thanks for the video. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/166 "2024-08-11T03:44:06Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I just found some of the evidence in 9/11 bizarre. What? That crashed aircraft often don’t look like crashed aircraft? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/167 "2024-08-11T03:45:12Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > The aircraft disintegrated into, basically, dust. Aluminum dust, and as we all know, that is one of the two ingredients in micro-nano-thermite! Am I right Biffster! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/168 "2024-08-11T03:47:21Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > that is one of the two ingredients in micro-nano-thermite! Are you seriously saying that aluminum dust, plus ferrous oxide that often appears in steel components used in buildings, plus heat, would cause an exothermic reaction? Inconceivable! ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/169 "2024-08-11T03:57:59Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Not true! You have been unfailingly polite, and we have been nothing but rude. I actually dislike reckless allegations of sealioning, but the part that I do enjoy is when they almost literally say “very well, I will resume in 10 minutes” like is happening here. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 3:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/170 "2024-08-11T03:58:31Z")
I swear, if I had a wish to be invincible and others around me to be invincible, I could give tours flying a jet into buildings with wreckage clams from doubters. Our bodies would land safely, and there’d be less than 1/10th of the plane around. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/171 "2024-08-11T04:01:25Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I just found some of the evidence in 9/11 bizarre. I’m allowed to feel that way and _ **I don’t need to apologize for it.** _ Including the basic factual errors of the timeline of WTC7 collapse or the debris found at the Pentagon or UA93 crash site near Shanksvile, PA? When reasonable people make errors they apologize and retract their claims based on those mistakes instead of doubling down on their “I’m allowed to feel however I want” rationale. You have done neither. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/172 "2024-08-11T04:03:17Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > No one has the right to be rude to another member. I’m not sure you realize what forum this thread is in, buckaroo. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/173 "2024-08-11T04:07:45Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Oh I don’t know… No, you don’t, despite many years of factual information given by real experts with real names. Look up all the old threads on the subject, all the links, and all the info. That is all you deserve (if that). If you have a question that hasn’t been asked (and answered) multiple times…oh, fuck it. you don’t. ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/174 "2024-08-11T04:08:41Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I just found some of the evidence in 9/11 bizarre. I’m allowed to feel that way and I don’t need to apologize for it. What I think you’re saying is that the evidence is not consistent with your intuition. The problem is that our intuition of the physical world was evolved from our ancestors’ evolution in the African savanna. The precepts of that intuition are worthless in contexts that they absolutely do not apply to. They are, for instance, extremely inconsistent with factual phenomena like the roundness of the Earth, the fusion inside the Sun, the dynamical orbits in the solar system, the actual veracity of the landings on the moon – or what happens to jet aircraft slamming into skyscrapers with tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel. On a slightly more sane level, particle physics is also counterintuitive, yet many of those observations, too, are also factual. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/175 "2024-08-11T04:10:14Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > I’m allowed to feel that way and I don’t need to apologize for it. Your ignorant (on purpose) feelings vs. other people’s facts. You _really_ need to apologize. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/176 "2024-08-11T04:12:36Z")
If there’s ever a crash or a meteor hitting the ISS, many would tout the incident as fake, because the “official” video has no sound. 😁 “Shoulda been louder that the Death Star explosion!” ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/177 "2024-08-11T04:12:59Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > No one has the right to be rude to another member. You are an ignorant little JAQ off. Apparently, I _do_ have the right to insult you-Imagine that! ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/178 "2024-08-11T04:21:44Z")
I suspect @Biffster has spent many years building his self-image around being some sort of free-thinker on the subject. He’s far too emotionally invested in this, well beyond the point of rationality. Or he’s trolling, but that’s contrary to the limited interaction I’ve had with him to date. OTOH, there are prior threads started by @biffster that try to go into deep subjects, and interpret them entirely based on their own experiences. Which isn’t _wrong_, but leaves you open to the scenario @wolfpup painted extremely well. Biffster seems to only accept or embrace facts and philosophy that agrees with what makes personal or intuitive sense to him. We have several other posters who meet the pattern, very few of them get much respect for it, and most have dedicated pit threads. IMHO, **Biffster** , and no snears or swears, but you’ve fallen into a deep, contra-factual hole, and it’s NOT going to get better with a dismissal and appeal to emotion and “fair play”. If I were you, I’d set aside a few hours tomorrow to do the research you said you’ve done previously, and just read/watch it, not about how it does or does not match your _existing_ world view. Then come back, and try talking about the subject again. But don’t post about it until you’ve cooled down, you are making it worse for yourself, not better. ---
**Author:** ![Biffster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/biffster/32/339_2.png) [@Biffster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Biffster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/179 "2024-08-11T04:24:52Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > What I think you’re saying is that the evidence is not consistent with your intuition. The problem is that our intuition of the physical world was evolved from our ancestors’ evolution in the African savanna. The precepts of that intuition are worthless in contexts that they absolutely do not apply to. They are, for instance, extremely inconsistent with factual phenomena like the roundness of the Earth, the fusion inside the Sun, the dynamical orbits in the solar system, the actual veracity of the landings on the moon – or what happens to jet aircraft slamming into skyscrapers with tens of thousands of gallons of jet fuel. On a slightly more sane level, particle physics is also counterintuitive, yet many of those observations, too, are also factual. Exactement, as the French would say. Thank you for explaining my view clearly and without talking down. There’s a great deal a number of members here could learn about what an actual conversation is. I have learned much about 9/11 from some of the links I’ve followed here, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to give some of these jack offs the pleasure of thinking I’ve capitulated to them. There are a number I used to like that I now no longer have respect for. Their loss. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2024, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/180 "2024-08-11T04:26:12Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > There are a number I used to like that I now no longer have respect for. Their loss. Not really. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482.md?page=10)