# Yelling at each other about 9/11 (Split from the "How has Trump pissed you off today" thread) **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 9, 2024, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482 "2024-08-09T02:14:16Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 245
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482/245 "2024-08-12T22:08:54Z")
> [@Biffster](#): > > Oh I don’t know….a plane body…wings…seats….luggage…bodies…something. Other aluminum planes have whole big pieces intact. What makes this one so special? All there was in Shanksville was a relatively small size mound of chewed up dirt. I read that the official explanation was that the ground was soft and the plane dug into the dirt. If that were the case, wouldn’t they have kept digging until the found the wreckage? From the Flight 93 Memorial: > The first responders described the crater as about 15 feet deep and about 30 feet across. It was irregularly shaped. The wreckage around and inside the crater consisted of largely unrecognizable pieces of twisted metal, pieces of the landing gear of the plane, a tire, the frames of some of the seats, bits of charred paper, and remnants of luggage and clothing. Most of the pieces of wreckage were quite small, the size of a notebook or smaller. Many more pieces of wreckage, also quite small, were recovered during the investigation when the crater was excavated. Extensive searches through the wooded area south of the crash site, and even arborists in the tree tops found more debris from the crash. A pond about 900 feet southwest of the crater was partially drained to recover debris. Debris was collected from the yards of nearby homes, farmer’s fields, and from around a nearby residential lake. The largest and heaviest pieces recovered were parts of the plane’s two engines and a piece of fuselage with several window openings. This fuselage piece measured about six feet by seven feet and was found near the woods south of the crater. Lightweight paper items were found as far away as New Baltimore, eight miles away. As far as digging until they got to the wreckage: > Both of the plane’s recorders, the so-called “black boxes” (which actually are orange), were found in the crash site crater. The flight data recorder was recovered on Thursday, September 13 at 4:20 pm at a depth of 15 feet. On September 14, at 8:30 pm, the cockpit voice recorder was found at a depth of 25 feet. Both were turned over to the National Transportation Safety Board for analysis. [This is from the FBI regarding the investigation.](https://www.fbi.gov/video-repository/investigation-of-flight-93.mp4/view) It includes scenes from the actual recovery effort where you can see people finding and removing debris. The recovery effort eventually dug down 40 feet to recover objects. The airplane was estimated to be traveling around 600 mph when it hit the ground. Even the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder - normally considered indestructible - suffered significant damage and required special handling to recover the information. You see, in a “normal” plane crash the people on board are _trying not to crash_ - they try to slow the airplane’s momentum. On 9/11 people on board were _deliberately_ crashing, _increasing_ the speed. Force equals mass times velocity so more speed means more energy which means more damage. None of the crashes on 9/11 were “normal” crashes because the intent was to do as much damage as possible. The debris and human remains were more shredded than typical. Lots of wreckage was found in Pennsylvania, it’s just that it was in small pieces and some of it wound up underground due to the force of impact. > [@Biffster](#): > > For fuck sakes, Stranger. I’ve read other sources, but I haven’t been privy to the fact that you and your friends here get your panties in a wad so easily at the mere mention of 9/11. I didn’t know there was 23 years of history ON THIS SITE to have to tackle. Get a fucking clue. _For fuck’s sake_ you could have done a simple search on a historical event to _find out_ if there was any prior history on this site. Let me help you: [Here is a partial list of 9/11 related threads on the Straight Dope I compiled in 2011](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-2011-update-of-the-list-of-september-11-2001-threads/595905). > [@Ludovic](#): > > I may be late but at this point I feel that’s pretty impossible. But had it not been so cliche at this point, it would have been mildly amusing to see > > 1. Doesn’t look at a cite which answers questions > 2. Gets questioned on why they never looked at the cites since they claim to seek the truth > 3. Claims they just don’t have time > 4. Proceeds to nevertheless post relentlessly to the thread. > > At #4, it’s pretty clear they’re just fucking with us. I’m inclined to agree, but at this point I’m really speaking more to any impressionable youngsters that might come across this thread to impress upon them the true facts of that day. > [@silenus](#): > > You never know. They might just be really, really stupid. That’s also a possibility… > [@Biffster](#): > > Not given his attitude and the way he has spoken to me previously, no it has not. No one has the right to be rude to another member. Um… yeah, actually we DO have that right here in the Pit. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yelling-at-each-other-about-9-11-split-from-the-how-has-trump-pissed-you-off-today-thread/1005482)._