# Yep, Rove Did It. Welcome to the Smoking Gun Show. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 11, 2009, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115 "2009-08-11T22:10:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/21 "2009-08-12T03:06:50Z")
According to a highly impartial source (namely Karl Rove), the documents prove Karl Rove did nothing wrong: > [@](#): > > Rove issued a statement Tuesday saying the documents “show politics played no role in the Bush administration’s removal of U.S. attorneys, that I never sought to influence the conduct of any prosecution, and that I played no role in deciding which U.S. attorneys were retained and which were replaced.” Ya got that, hippies? \*“Politics played no role in the Bush administration…” \*Case closed. Now let’s get back to Obama’s death panels. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 3:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/22 "2009-08-12T03:13:21Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > There are some documents somewhere that say some bad stuff about Rove? Quoteth from the OP: > [@](#): > > Rove was up to his eyeballs in getting Iglesias fired. Because Iglesias balked at prosecuting a Democrat to ensure a Republican electoral win. Looks pretty specific to me. > [@](#): > > You’re just trying to distract us from Obama’s death panels. Do those collect energy from death like solar panels collect solar energy? If you mean something else there’s endless health care threads for that. Including the point that current healthcare insurance companies are running death panels by choosing not to cover people. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 3:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/23 "2009-08-12T03:15:38Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > This is a variant spelling of _shitheel_ I was not previously aware of. Var. turdblossom ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/24 "2009-08-12T03:32:36Z")
I’ve got to go with the classics here: > [@Doonesbury in the Nixon era](#): > > Guilty! Guilty! Guilty! But tell me, brothers and sisters, is anyone surprised that Rove and Co are guiltier than sin here? Could anyone not tell this [del]Harkonnen[/del] Rovian trick by the sheer stink of it? I’m afraid the Rove may weasel and lawyer his way out of this, just like he danced his way out of betraying a covert CIA operative. And all the while **he** will question **my** patriotism. Not enough :rolleyes: in the world. If the devil is efficient I’ll see Rove in hell, since we’ll be chained to the same brim stone. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/25 "2009-08-12T04:17:44Z")
Can a brother get some _context_? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/26 "2009-08-12T04:21:34Z")
Be careful what you wish for. There’s like, 5,000 pages. So, whats hit the blogosphincter is just what’s been dug up so far, with thousands of lefty wonks skimming like crazy. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/27 "2009-08-12T04:32:16Z")
> [@Typo\_Knig](#): > > I’m afraid the Rove may weasel and lawyer his way out of this,… I think they’ll try the “we didn’t do anything wrong, we were just giving orders” defense. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/28 "2009-08-12T04:44:33Z")
Orders from who? Who’s left? ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/29 "2009-08-12T04:45:53Z")
God, of course. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/30 "2009-08-12T04:56:55Z")
OK, just for instance and so far… [http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/docs\_bely\_roves\_claim\_that\_his\_aide\_was\_freelancin.php?ref=fpblg](http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/08/docs_bely_roves_claim_that_his_aide_was_freelancin.php?ref=fpblg) Shorter Rove: his aide was “free lancing”, he knew nothing, nothing. Nope. ---
**Author:** ![Strassia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@Strassia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Strassia)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 4:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/31 "2009-08-12T04:57:31Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I think they’ll try the “we didn’t do anything wrong, we were just **giving** orders” defense. > [@elucidator](#): > > Orders from who? Who’s left? Bolding added in order to elucidate. Jonathan ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/32 "2009-08-12T05:06:59Z")
Hey, I wasn’t born with reading problems, I had to _work_ at it! ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 5:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/33 "2009-08-12T05:29:28Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > :dubious: Is not the name “Rove” more than sufficient in and of itself? Um, no. It’s still unlear who is being pitted. Bush? Rove? Meirs? US attorneys? The people who found the papers? Those “tighty righties”? Until I know, I can’t really respond in a pit appropriate manner. Right now, my responses would be more inline for GD. (Like asking what you think will be the political significance of this information.) Of course, that’s a limit on my own ability, as other people have seemed to have responded appropriate manner by insulting Rove. I just wonder if that was the OP’s intention, or if, as I read it, s/he actually wanted intelligent discussion mixed in with the wanted apologies. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 5:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/34 "2009-08-12T05:49:23Z")
And another witticism crashes and burns. > [@Strassia](#): > > Bolding added in order to elucidate. Thanks. I didn’t realize I was being so subtle. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 6:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/35 "2009-08-12T06:17:25Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Um, no. It’s still unlear who is being pitted. Bush? Rove? Meirs? US attorneys? The people who found the papers? Those “tighty righties”? > > Until I know, I can’t really respond in a pit appropriate manner. Right now, my responses would be more inline for GD. (Like asking what you think will be the political significance of this information.) Of course, that’s a limit on my own ability, as other people have seemed to have responded appropriate manner by insulting Rove. I just wonder if that was the OP’s intention, or if, as I read it, s/he actually wanted intelligent discussion mixed in with the wanted apologies. Call it a gloat thread. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/36 "2009-08-12T11:10:14Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Um, no. It’s still unlear who is being pitted. Bush? Rove? Meirs? US attorneys? The people who found the papers? Those “tighty righties”? > > Until I know, I can’t really respond in a pit appropriate manner. Right now, my responses would be more inline for GD. (Like asking what you think will be the political significance of this information.) Of course, that’s a limit on my own ability, as other people have seemed to have responded appropriate manner by insulting Rove. I just wonder if that was the OP’s intention, or if, as I read it, s/he actually wanted intelligent discussion mixed in with the wanted apologies. At least you can offer meta-level observations. I suppose the apologies can wait until after you move through the next few stages. Being so meta is a different type of distraction attempt, though. Kudos on that. It’s also quite rare to see the “I’ve got some thoughtful questions, but I can’t bring them up because this is the pit” routine. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 1:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/37 "2009-08-12T13:58:55Z")
Crucial issues, to be sure. Perhaps we should set aside, for now, any discussion of the obscenity of using the Justice Department to further the electoral fortunes of a political party, and focus on the essential questions of correct thread placement. I would not wish to be seen as sullying the pristine purity of the Pit merely to discuss such minor matters as the abject corruption of our political system by grasping, greedy and amoral _apparatchiks_. We have a number of statues to the Goddess of Justice, we might wish to discuss how these could be modified to better represent what we have allowed to be created, we might suggest alterations so that those statues might more closely reflect a two-dollar whore. We might speculate which of our Founders would have been first to puke his guts out. We might wonder who represents the worse threat to our system of governance, an ignorant Afghani teenager or a carefully educated rat gnawing at the vitals of democracy. Seems to me that we strive to make GD a tonier forum, for polite and refined discussion on a higher intellectual plane than how corn-studded is the turd floating in our punchbowl. If you would prefer an ample serving of the punch, please help yourself. Alternatively, a refreshing serving of Shut The Fuck Up… ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/ad7895/32.png) [@Long\_Time\_First\_Time](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Long_Time_First_Time)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/38 "2009-08-12T14:03:38Z")
Well, unless someone in the Obama administration shows any interest in upholding the rule of law, and actually investigating and prosecuting the crimes that are so proudly displayed - I’d say they are the ones who should be pitted. ---
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/39 "2009-08-12T14:06:44Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > And another witticism crashes and burns. If it’s any consolation, that would have been hilarious if we weren’t so stupid. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2009, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115/40 "2009-08-12T15:06:12Z")
> [@elelle](#): > > I’m trying to come up with something catchy here, but, Maggot just seems to stick with me, kinda like Turdblossom, though. At least maggots are useful for tissue recycling, so that can’t apply to Rove. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yep-rove-did-it-welcome-to-the-smoking-gun-show/506115.md?page=3)