# Yes, Facebook is evil. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 18, 2011, 3:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613 "2011-12-18T03:33:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2011, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/21 "2011-12-18T23:37:18Z")
[evil] **dauerbach** last posted to the SDMB today at 12:25 PM.[/evil] ---
**Author:** ![billfish678](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7bcc69/32.png) [@billfish678](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/billfish678)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/22 "2011-12-19T00:29:08Z")
> [@drastic\_quench](#): > > Facebook killed my mother and raped my father, but your example is evil too. Am I supposed to “like” this or “tweet” this? Or perhaps “Tebow” this? Gawd I feel old. And get off my lawn! ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/23 "2011-12-19T00:31:55Z")
> [@dauerbach](#): > > Also, if they are capturing email accounts for unsuccessful logins, If I’m understanding this correctly–and I might not be–you are upset because Facebook “captured” your email address when you attempted to use it to log in. In other words, your email address is your user login. Which you presumably gave to Facebook lo these many years ago when you first signed up. Because otherwise they would not have a record of it, along with your password, to let you sign in to your account. I’m not really mad about websites keeping a record of what my user login is so that I can, you know, log in to them when I want to. ---
**Author:** ![digs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/digs/32/14889_2.png) [@digs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/digs)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/24 "2011-12-19T04:30:40Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > I don’t even [del]own a television[/del] use Facebook! Well, I don’t own a television, and I only watch PBS. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/25 "2011-12-19T12:59:16Z")
Oh, puhleeze. With all the _genuine_ examples of Facebook’s sleazy business practices (e.g. their repeated three-card-monte game with the privacy settings they hide at the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Leopard”), _this_ is what you come up with? ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/26 "2011-12-19T19:44:30Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I have a different Facebook is evil problem - they apparently updated their site _again_ and now it won’t display properly on my version of Firefox (3.6.24 for Mac). Irritating as hell to have to boot an OLD version of Safari just to read messages my friends send me. > > I don’t suppose anyone knows how to fix this? Update Firefox to 8.0.1 or update Safari to 5.1.1. Works fine on either. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 8:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/27 "2011-12-19T20:31:58Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > I have a different Facebook is evil problem - they apparently updated their site _again_ and now it won’t display properly on my version of Firefox (3.6.24 for Mac). Just out of curiosity, why are you using a version of Firefox that old? The latest version for Mac is 9.0! I imagine a lot of web sites don’t look right for you. ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [December 19, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/28 "2011-12-19T22:59:39Z")
Websites won’t look right in a six month old browser? ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/29 "2011-12-20T00:04:20Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Websites won’t look right in a six month old browser? 2-year-old browser. Firefox 3.6 was released in January 2010. ---
**Author:** ![curlcoat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ea5d25/32.png) [@curlcoat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/curlcoat)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/30 "2011-12-20T02:23:14Z")
[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:27, topic:606613”] Just out of curiosity, why are you using a version of Firefox that old? The latest version for Mac is 9.0! I imagine a lot of web sites don’t look right for you. [/QUOTE] Because I hate change. I did do it tho (however, it claims that 8.0 is the latest version), and had my hate for change supported by the fact that my favoritest game now doesn’t work right. Facebook does - not sure that’s a good trade. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/31 "2011-12-20T02:28:20Z")
I’ve got location services turned off for Facebook on my mobile, but a recent status update somehow includes an approximation of my location anyway. WTF? ---
**Author:** ![Palooka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/palooka/32/2902_2.png) [@Palooka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Palooka)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 3:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/32 "2011-12-20T03:43:54Z")
Location services is phone-side using GPS or wireless towers. Facebook (or any other entity, like SDMB moderators) can still figure out approximately where you are based on your IP. ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/33 "2011-12-20T03:47:18Z")
But who asked them to include it in my status update? I’ve got my privacy settings I thought that would prevent this. ---
**Author:** ![jjimm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba8739/32.png) [@jjimm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jjimm)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/34 "2011-12-20T03:49:40Z")
> [@Palooka](#): > > Location services is phone-side using GPS or wireless towers. Facebook (or any other entity, like SDMB moderators) can still figure out approximately where you are based on your IP. Not just phone any more - it does it on the web by ISP too. Or at least it does on my profile. You now have to actively click the “x” beneath your status input bar to cancel it. Now that _is_ evil. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/35 "2011-12-20T04:26:51Z")
> [@Acsenray](#): > > But who asked them to include it in my status update? I’ve got my privacy settings I thought that would prevent this. Facebook keeps changing those settings to what you **would** have chosen if you knew the benefits of living in a glass house… ---
**Author:** ![ralph124c](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/8797f3/32.png) [@ralph124c](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ralph124c)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/36 "2011-12-20T15:41:57Z")
I don’t get Facebook-I have a site, but I check it every 4-6 months. I have a friend who posts daily on FB-he links to local news stories, and he must have several million FB friends. What do you get for such efforts? ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/37 "2011-12-20T15:49:55Z")
> [@ralph124c](#): > > What do you get for such efforts? Social interaction. ---
**Author:** ![Gary\_Robson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gary_robson/32/3448_2.png) [@Gary\_Robson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gary_Robson)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/38 "2011-12-20T17:42:43Z")
> [@curlcoat](#): > > Because I hate change. I did do it tho (however, it claims that 8.0 is the latest version), and had my hate for change supported by the fact that my favoritest game now doesn’t work right. Facebook does - not sure that’s a good trade. :dubious: Interesting. On my Windows box, I have Firefox 8.0, which it says is the latest. On my Mac, I have Firefox 9.0, which it says is the latest. ---
**Author:** ![Doug\_K](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b5ac83/32.png) [@Doug\_K](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doug_K)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/39 "2011-12-20T17:51:27Z")
[quote=“Gary “Wombat” Robson, post:38, topic:606613”] Interesting. On my Windows box, I have Firefox 8.0, which it says is the latest. On my Mac, I have Firefox 9.0, which it says is the latest. [/QUOTE] Also interesting, because I have Firefox 8.0 on my Windows box and 8.0.1 on my Mac. Both say they are up to date. The Firefox website also says 8.0.1 is the current Mac version. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [December 20, 2011, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613/40 "2011-12-20T17:56:56Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > Facebook keeps changing those settings to what you **would** have chosen if you knew the benefits of living in a glass house… I’ve noticed that if I want to update my Android Facebook app it seems that I have to include location identification. So I assume it wants to use the phone network or wireless IP addresses to identify my location to Facebook, the same way Google or Apple does. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-facebook-is-evil/606613.md?page=3)