# Yes, I Am Pitting Fox...For Once Again Being the Home of Assholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936 "2011-08-16T19:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/21 "2011-08-17T00:20:36Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > In that case, unleash the hounds. > > This is a sleazy tactic sometimes employed by the left. One that Ann Coulter (_shudder_) identified a few years back: make those that are “unattackable” your mouthpieces. It’s a cheap tactic. Once you involve kids, it’s disgusting. Just the left? So all those 6-year-olds I saw in front of the abortion clinic, holding signs with supposed dead fetuses and calling me and my coworkers murderers, calling on God to strike us all dead, were from the left? The children wearing “God Hates Fags” t-shirts and protesting with the Westboro Baptist Church are leftists? Interesting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/22 "2011-08-17T00:43:14Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Just the left? So all those 6-year-olds I saw in front of the abortion clinic, holding signs with supposed dead fetuses and calling me and my coworkers murderers, calling on God to strike us all dead, were from the left? The children wearing “God Hates Fags” t-shirts and protesting with the Westboro Baptist Church are leftists? > > Interesting. Did you read post #8? ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/23 "2011-08-17T00:44:39Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did you read post #8? I did, which was then negated (in my opinion) by post #10. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/24 "2011-08-17T00:46:23Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Just the left? So all those 6-year-olds I saw in front of the abortion clinic, holding signs with supposed dead fetuses and calling me and my coworkers murderers, calling on God to strike us all dead, were from the left? The children wearing “God Hates Fags” t-shirts and protesting with the Westboro Baptist Church are leftists? > > Interesting. Actually, I find it equally disgusting from either side. Like the instances you mention. And a sign I saw once in Arkansas, I think it was: “Evangelical Camp —Openings—ages 6 - 12”. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/25 "2011-08-17T01:00:04Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Actually, I find it equally disgusting from either side. Like the instances you mention. And a sign I saw once in Arkansas, I think it was: “Evangelical Camp —Openings—ages 6 - 12”. Fair enough, although that doesn’t explain why in post #10 you labeled it as a sleazy tactic that the left uses and that Ann Coulter identified. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/26 "2011-08-17T01:06:08Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Fair enough, although that doesn’t explain why in post #10 you labeled it as a sleazy tactic that the left uses and that Ann Coulter identified. Because she identified it. In on of her books. Not talking about doing it with kids, specifically, but making people spokespeople with the expectation that they can’t be rebutted. I think two of her examples were Max Cleland and the 9/11 widows. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/27 "2011-08-17T01:07:39Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Because she identified it. In on of her books. Not talking about doing it with kids, specifically, but making people spokespeople with the expectation that they can’t be rebutted. I think two of her examples were Max Cleland and the 9/11 widows. I think anyone using “unattackable” spokespeople are doing the same thing, either consciously or subconsciously. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/28 "2011-08-17T01:09:07Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think anyone using “unattackable” spokespeople are doing the same thing, either consciously or subconsciously. No argument there. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/29 "2011-08-17T01:11:35Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > Because she identified it. In on of her books. Not talking about doing it with kids, specifically, but making people spokespeople with the expectation that they can’t be rebutted. I think two of her examples were Max Cleland and the 9/11 widows. But that’s not what you said. You said > [@magellan01](#): > > This is a sleazy tactic sometimes employed by the left. One that Ann Coulter (_shudder_) identified a few years back: make those that are “unattackable” your mouthpieces. It’s a cheap tactic. Once you involve kids, it’s disgusting. Post #8 stated your antipathy toward any political group using kids as spokespeople. But your post #10 negated that neutrality by stating that the tactic was employed by the left (you left out the right), and THEN stating that Ann Coulter discussed it (I assume only as it’s used by the left, given her stance) in her book. I mean, it’s not a huge hairy deal, but your post #10 seems to imply that you believe it’s used solely (or mostly) by the left. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/30 "2011-08-17T01:20:23Z")
_Red Eye_ is the worst show on Fox, and Gutfeld is the most worthless piece of shit on the entire network (and that’s really saying something). When it comes to political analysis, Greg Gutfeld makes Snooki look like Rachel Maddow. It’s fine to decry the use of children to promote a political message (those these assholes would not have had a problem with it if it was a message they agreed with), but you don’t savage the kids themselves. You don’t call eight year olds “little bastards” on national television, and if someone like Keith Olbermann had said the same thing about a bunch of kids being used in service of some Teabagger message or religious message, these very same assholes on _Red Eye_ would be purple with indignation. As for the video itself, it’s no different than the shit people constantly do to their kids with religion. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/31 "2011-08-17T01:27:30Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > But that’s not what you said. You said > > Post #8 stated your antipathy toward any political group using kids as spokespeople. But your post #10 negated that neutrality by stating that the tactic was employed by the left (you left out the right), and THEN stating that Ann Coulter discussed it (I assume only as it’s used by the left, given her stance) in her book. > > I mean, it’s not a huge hairy deal, but your post #10 seems to imply that you believe it’s used solely (or mostly) by the left. Nothing contradicts anything else. I find it disgusting when kids are used. Period. Whether it be the idiots who drag them out to abortion clinics or the idiots who turned their own children into ghosts and had them march in the protests against the Iraq war here in San Francisco. Or now, the idiots at [moveon.org](http://moveon.org). To John Mace’s point, I think it’s wrong whenever an unattackable person is used as a spokesperson for a controversial issue. Let me modify that: they can be used, but there should be zero expectation that they can be attacked. And zero whining when they are. And, yes, I see it more of a tactic from the left. If you can show that that impression is wrong, I’m happy to retract it and heap equal condemnation on the right. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/32 "2011-08-17T01:34:10Z")
9/11 widows and Vietnam vets are perfectly capable of formulating their own opinions and have every right to do so. They are not “unattackable,” and are not being used. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/33 "2011-08-17T01:36:15Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > And, yes, I see it more of a tactic from the left. If you can show that that impression is wrong, I’m happy to retract it and heap equal condemnation on the right. Having grown up seeing little children preach in tent revivals and on playgrounds at recess and been called a murderer, the whore of Babylon, and Satan by 6-year-olds as an adult at work, I’ll just agree to disagree with you that it’s more a tactic from the left. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/34 "2011-08-17T01:39:24Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > 9/11 widows and Vietnam vets are perfectly capable of formulating their own opinions and have every right to do so. They are not “unattackable,” and are not being used. The point is that when they were attacked, people were up in arms: “Oh how can you attack poor widows”. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/35 "2011-08-17T01:42:34Z")
> [@Kolga](#): > > Having grown up seeing little children preach in tent revivals and on playgrounds at recess and been called a murderer, the whore of Babylon, and Satan by 6-year-olds as an adult at work, I’ll just agree to disagree with you that it’s more a tactic from the left. I’d think I’d agree, given the religious right you refer to, that kids are probably misused in this way by the right more often than the left. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/36 "2011-08-17T01:44:13Z")
Interestingly, I was recently called on at my front door by a man accompanied by a small child dressed up in their Sunday best. They wanted to save me from my sins. I don’t think they could reasonably be called “leftists”. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/37 "2011-08-17T01:50:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Interestingly, I was recently called on at my front door by a man accompanied by a small child dressed up in their Sunday best. They wanted to save me from my sins. I don’t think they could reasonably be called “leftists”. Did you confess all your sins to the kid? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/38 "2011-08-17T01:59:56Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > The point is that when they were attacked, people were up in arms: “Oh how can you attack poor widows”. Coulter wasn’t attacking their opinions (which would be fine), she accused them of “enjoying their husbands’ deaths” which was asinine, and which would end in right wing media crucifixion if the partisan sides had been reversed. Incidentally, hasn’t the right pretty much hid behind “the troops” like little bitches for the past ten years? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/39 "2011-08-17T02:00:42Z")
By the time I did that, he’d have outgrown his clothes. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/40 "2011-08-17T02:02:02Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > By the time I did that, he’d have outgrown his clothes. And you’d have only been up to your junior high school years. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936.md?page=3)