# Yes, I Am Pitting Fox...For Once Again Being the Home of Assholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936 "2011-08-16T19:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/41 "2011-08-17T02:10:48Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think the point is that kids (and some of these looked to be as young as 6) are mentally incapable of understanding the complex economic and political issues being mentioned. Sure, most adults don’t understand this stuff, but at least they could if they put their minds to it. Is this supposed to make me feel better or worse about the adults? Sure I have a childish understanding of the issue, but that’s just because I don’t bother trying. ---
**Author:** ![YaraMateo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/58f4c7/32.png) [@YaraMateo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YaraMateo)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2011, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/42 "2011-08-17T02:52:27Z")
I’m disappointed in Fox. Clearly, they could have pointed out that number six is “special” and side pony tail is probably one of the moms. Fox… I lost my faith in you. ---
**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/43 "2011-08-19T15:37:56Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > Be that as it may, you don’t shit all over the kids who made the video. _Fox & Friends_ teed off on them as well, so it’s not just one rogue show. Methinks these “hosts” need a few lessons in class. No, it’s [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) that needs lessons in class for promoting it in the first place. And the parents need lessons in basic common sense and intelligence for letting their kids take part in it. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/44 "2011-08-19T16:09:26Z")
Regardless, it’s still not the kids fault, and you still don’t call 8 year olds “little bastards” on national television. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/45 "2011-08-19T16:55:38Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Regardless, it’s still not the kids fault, and you still don’t call 8 year olds “little bastards” on national television. No, it’s not the kids fault. But have you ever seen Red Eye. Gutfeld spouts out strings of intentionally over the top non-PC stuff all the time. I didn’t see it, but I’m sure it was completely in jest. No one can blame the kids for the disgusting actions of [moveon.org](http://moveon.org) and their parents. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/46 "2011-08-19T17:04:28Z")
If you want to see disgusting, watch _Jesus Camp_. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/47 "2011-08-19T17:06:22Z")
> [@Clothahump](#): > > No, it’s [MoveOn.org](http://MoveOn.org) that needs lessons in class for promoting it in the first place. And the parents need lessons in basic common sense and intelligence for letting their kids take part in it. I’m just curious if you (and others who have made a similar argument) would only prohibit the use of children in overtly political advertisements? Do you think it’s OK for parents to whore their kids out to appear in ads for, say, McDonald’s, Coca-Cola, Sears, Chevrolet, or Disney? Because, as far as i can see, there’s really not much difference between the two. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/48 "2011-08-19T17:20:17Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > I’m just curious if you (and others who have made a similar argument) would only prohibit the use of children in overtly political advertisements? > > Do you think it’s OK for parents to whore their kids out to appear in ads for, say, McDonald’s, Coca-Cola, Sears, Chevrolet, or Disney? > > Because, as far as i can see, there’s really not much difference between the two. Two things. One, merely appearing in and ad is one thing, having your child personally endorse a cause is another. I’d let me child be a kid seen in a Disney or McDonald’s commercial, playing in the playground, eating a hamburger, something like that. I would not let my child look at the camera and deliver an argument that every one should eat meat, like a McDonald’s hamburger, three times a week because it’s important to get protein from red meat. I also wouldn’t allow him to deliver a vegetarian message for a fresh produce concern that was against eating meat. Second, (or maybe it’s a 1-B), I would not want me child to take a strong position in public and issues he or she barely understands. I’d like them to be interested and passionate, but as one learns more, one’s ideas and positions often change. But once someone takes a position so publicly, it becomes much harder for them to allow their positions to evolve. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/49 "2011-08-19T17:21:50Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > If you want to see disgusting, watch _Jesus Camp_. Actually, I don’t want to see it. Just like I wold have preferred to not see what I identified in Post 24. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/50 "2011-08-19T17:22:12Z")
So, an arbitrary and almost meaningless distinction. Thanks for clarifying. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/51 "2011-08-19T17:24:35Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > So, an arbitrary and almost meaningless distinction. > > Thanks for clarifying. Only if your using definitions for “arbitrary” and “meaningless” that are arbitrary and meaningless. Otherwise, you couldn’t been more wrong. Hope that helps. ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/52 "2011-08-19T17:36:02Z")
Your ability to assume that your own prejudices and preferences should be considered universal is predictably consistent. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/53 "2011-08-19T19:09:20Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Your ability to assume that your own prejudices and preferences should be considered universal is predictably consistent. Interesting. Precisely what in my responses to you, pray tell, points to my own “prejudices and biases”? Please be specific, so I can see that you actually have a point and are not talking out of your ass. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2011, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/54 "2011-08-19T20:40:30Z")
Each and every one, specific? Doctor says I only have about thirty more years to live. TL:TO. (Too long, too old) ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/55 "2011-08-20T01:09:28Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Each and every one, specific? Doctor says I only have about thirty more years to live. TL:TO. (Too long, too old) Not to undermine what I’m sure you thought was sooooo funny, but no. Just those that directly relate to my responses to the dum-dum called **mhendo**. I’ll wait… ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/56 "2011-08-20T21:47:42Z")
Ah, more [parenting assholery:](http://hotair.com/archives/2011/08/18/video-mom-pushes-kid-to-ask-perry-about-evolution/) He Douche Bag Mom, that’s a kid, not your pet parrot. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/57 "2011-08-20T22:10:44Z")
Nothing wrong with those questions. Perry probably would have ignored the mom if she asked those questions directly. Perry also showed what a moron he is by saying that Texas “teaches both evolution and creationism.” first of all, no it doesn’t - not legally anyway, and secondly it shows that Perry thinks they’re actually competing theories. They aren’t. Kudos to that mom for exposing Perry’s ignorance and dishonesty. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/58 "2011-08-20T22:31:10Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Nothing wrong with those questions. Perry probably would have ignored the mom if she asked those questions directly. > > Perry also showed what a moron he is by saying that Texas “teaches both evolution and creationism.” first of all, no it doesn’t - not legally anyway, and secondly it shows that Perry thinks they’re actually competing theories. They aren’t. Kudos to that mom for exposing Perry’s ignorance and dishonesty. :rolleyes: No one said there was anything wrong with the questions. (Well, the last one she wanted him to ask was complete douchery.) The point of my posts in this thread is not what is being spouted or asked, but that children shouldn’t be turned into hand puppets by their parents. But it’s nice to see you don’t have a problem with that. I feel like I have a better understanding of your value system. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/59 "2011-08-20T22:58:36Z")
We don’t know the context of why she was coaching the kid. He may have only been willing to take questions from kids or something. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2011, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/60 "2011-08-20T22:59:08Z")
Why not? You got little kids putting their hands over their hearts and pledging their allegiance years before they have the slightest idea what they are talking about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936.md?page=4)