# Yes, I Am Pitting Fox...For Once Again Being the Home of Assholes **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 16, 2011, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936 "2011-08-16T19:07:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Drunky\_Smurf](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/drunky_smurf/32/449_2.png) [@Drunky\_Smurf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Drunky_Smurf)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2011, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/81 "2011-08-22T20:13:45Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Kudos to that mom for exposing Perry’s ignorance and dishonesty. Yes. Thank the fucking lord this brave soldier of the left had the balls to force her child to ask the governor this gotcha question because until then no one knew his stance on the issue. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/82 "2011-08-23T00:25:11Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And, frankly, he cleaned the floor with you. You chose to take something that’s intended to be the opposite of racist, and claim it’s racist, so he used the same logic on you. In other words, if it’s racist to intentionally include people from other races, as it means you are paying attention to race, then it’s racist to notice that people are doing this, **since that means you are paying attention to race**. Yes, I know that Dio is trying to turn around the same logic and claim that my noticing racist behavior makes me racist. Frankly, I had thought that to be too stupid as to necessitate rebuttal. Really? So, like suggesting that a lot of jews were separated out and killed during the holocaust would make me a racist for being aware that they were jews? Being aware that they are selecting and separating and arranging the children based on race is racist? Really? You thought that was a good argument he made? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/83 "2011-08-23T02:17:24Z")
> [@](#): > > The other thing that pisses me off is the striving for multiculturality… You claim a motive. Your evidence is the mixture of races and ethnicity according your own reaction. Further, you claim action based upon a motive that you infer on no other basis but your reaction, to wit: > [@](#): > > …look at how much fucking thought and care there clearly was in setting this up… racewise… Now, maybe they did, maybe the didn’t. I don’t know, pretty sure you don’t either. ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 2:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/84 "2011-08-23T02:26:20Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Now, maybe they did, maybe the didn’t. I don’t know, pretty sure you don’t either. So, you think the kids just happened to come up with this ten point plan, get together, film it, and send it to move [on.org](http://on.org) all by themselves? Heh, ---
**Author:** ![emcee2k](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7bcc69/32.png) [@emcee2k](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/emcee2k)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/85 "2011-08-23T02:38:07Z")
Calling these kids bastards and dorks is like insulting the dummy and ignoring the ventriloquist. That little sad face they had that girl do towards the end of the second video was a nice touch, though. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/86 "2011-08-23T03:05:38Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Yes, I know that Dio is trying to turn around the same logic and claim that my noticing racist behavior makes me racist. > > Frankly, I had thought that to be too stupid as to necessitate rebuttal. > > Really? > So, like suggesting that a lot of jews were separated out and killed during the holocaust would make me a racist for being aware that they were jews? > Being aware that they are selecting and separating and arranging the children based on race is racist? > > Really? > > You thought that was a good argument he made? It was a great argument that I made, because you were the only one who noticed or cared what the kids’ racial make up was. Racial diversity, even if contrived, is perfectly harmless. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/87 "2011-08-23T03:08:41Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > So, you think the kids just happened to come up with this ten point plan, get together, film it, and send it to move [on.org](http://on.org) all by themselves? > > Heh, You’re changing the subject. I didn’t offer an opinion on that, only that there is nothing particularly remarkable about the racial/ethnic/species makeup of this collection of kids. That is your own inference, based on nothing more than your reaction. Further, you claim the deck is deliberately stacked, again, based on nothing more than your prejudice against MoveOn. You assume they did so, those perfidious rascals, in order to gain some legitimacy for their sordid campaign for truth and justice. Luckily, you are too smart for them! ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/88 "2011-08-23T03:38:51Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > You’re changing the subject. I didn’t offer an opinion on that, only that there is nothing particularly remarkable about the racial/ethnic/species makeup of this collection of kids. That is your own inference, based on nothing more than your reaction. Oh yes. Of course. And an infinite number of monkeys typing randomly on an infinite number of keyboards are the actual author of Macbeth. “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” It’s a propaganda piece. Everything about it is utterly contrived practically by definition. This is stupid even by your standards. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/89 "2011-08-23T03:46:22Z")
I guess waterboarding can cause brain damage. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/90 "2011-08-23T04:30:20Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > Oh yes. Of course. And an infinite number of monkeys typing randomly on an infinite number of keyboards are the actual author of Macbeth. > > “Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.” > > It’s a propaganda piece. Everything about it is utterly contrived practically by definition. This is stupid even by your standards. I see you have upped the ante, evidence wise. Before, the only support for your claim was your insisting that it’s so. Now, you are stamping your foot and insisting that it is so, which is twice as strong an argument. Too many for me, I fold. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 12:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/91 "2011-08-23T12:08:36Z")
> [@MsRobyn](#): > > Be that as it may, you don’t shit all over the kids who made the video. _Fox & Friends_ teed off on them as well, so it’s not just one rogue show. Methinks these “hosts” need a few lessons in class. Would they get that from MSNBC? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/92 "2011-08-23T14:37:57Z")
They need it from somebody. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/93 "2011-08-23T15:57:28Z")
Oh, I see, fomenting class war again, are we? ---
**Author:** ![Gangster\_Octopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a8b319/32.png) [@Gangster\_Octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gangster_Octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/94 "2011-08-23T16:36:39Z")
What surprises me is that how little independent thought some folks think kids can have. Granted their ideas may not be nuanced, the truth is MOST peoples don’t have thoughtful and nuanced positions. And yes of course their parents influence it, my parents influences still affect me. But that doesn’t mean they don’t believe these things, or that in fact they haven’t a clue about what they are talking about. Some seem to think this is the equivalent of a parent forcing their kid to take piano lessons and do a recital against their wishes. Or playing little league when they would rather be playing WOW or whatever. Now is it a propaganda piece. Undeniably so. Is it wrong to use kids like this. I’m not convinced it is. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/95 "2011-08-23T17:29:39Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > I guess waterboarding can cause brain damage. Speaking of “waterboarding isn’t torture,” I thought the current right-wing cognitive dissonance bumper-sticker mantra was “poor people have it _made_!” Now it seems that “people who _include_ minorities are the _real_ racists!” is making a comeback? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2011, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/96 "2011-08-23T18:14:07Z")
If this “sampling” of American kids were not skewed to political correctness, why are there so many gay and lesbian kids? That blond boy, queer as a blue horse, you ask me. Well, you didn’t, but still… ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/97 "2011-08-24T00:25:00Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > Speaking of “waterboarding isn’t torture,” I thought the current right-wing cognitive dissonance bumper-sticker mantra was “poor people have it _made_!” [Not a new one at all.](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_duckies) :mad:☹ > [@](#): > > Now it seems that “people who _include_ minorities are the _real_ racists!” is making a comeback? It’s more like “Not letting us bigots act on our beliefs is bigoted against _us_!” ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/98 "2011-08-24T00:58:37Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > It was a great argument that I made, because you were the only one who noticed or cared what the kids’ racial make up was. Racial diversity, even if contrived, is perfectly harmless. This is stupid even by your standards. So, if an employer gives half it’s work face the day off, and someone notices that only the white people got the day off, then the guy who notices is a racist not the employer. Yeah. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/99 "2011-08-24T01:27:26Z")
> [@Scylla](#): > > This is stupid even by your standards. So, if an employer gives half it’s work face the day off, and someone notices that only the white people got the day off, then the guy who notices is a racist not the employer. > Yeah. What the fuck is a work face? ---
**Author:** ![Scylla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a5b964/32.png) [@Scylla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scylla)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2011, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936/100 "2011-08-24T01:29:33Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > What the fuck is a work face? My iPad autocorrecting “force.” Todd an you Steve Jobs! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-am-pitting-fox-for-once-again-being-the-home-of-assholes/592936.md?page=6)