# Yes, I fucking LOVE filling out affirmative action surveys during a job interview! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 7, 2003, 7:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547 "2003-08-07T07:15:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/41 "2003-08-10T18:24:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pizzabrat \* > \*\*…God, what a whiner. Hey, if it’s so hard to be a white man in America, why don’t you just move? \*\* If it’s so hard to be black in America, name a black-majority nation where it’s easy. Dickhead. ---
**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/42 "2003-08-10T18:32:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > \*\*Okay… try to read both our posts for context. > > He focuses on being WHITE. > > He then complains because he’s not a veteran, handicapped, or female. > > Everyone gets a better deal than he does. Poor him.\*\* No. A poster with the name **MrSarcasticus** (open your freakin’ eyes) noted that these were liabilities when applying to certain jobs. > [@](#): > > Your curse seems to be reading comprehension. :rolleyes: > [@](#): > > Yeah… Dr. Laura who is JEWISH is an easy comparison to being a Nazi. And that has stopped people since when? And I second stop “trying to drag everyone else down with you.” ---
**Author:** ![swami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@swami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swami)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/43 "2003-08-10T21:15:35Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Satisfying Andy Licious \* > **If it’s so hard to be black in America, name a black-majority nation where it’s easy.** I think being Black in Botswana should be pretty easy. > [@](#): > > As for cher3, she used the key word “whining.” My experience is that those who accuse white males of “whining” when they face discrimination are people with support anti-male, anti-white discrimination. And to those people I say, fuck you, fuck your family, fuck your dog if you aren’t already, and fuck anyone who thinks like you. Knee jerk much? Get over yourself. ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/44 "2003-08-10T23:13:58Z")
> [@](#): > > _Satisfying Andy Licious_ > If it’s so hard to be black in America, name a black-majority nation where it’s easy. > > Dickhead. Huh? Where was I screaming and crying over imagined racism? What’s your point anyway, that I should just be lucky that you put up with me over here? Pathetic racist brat. ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2003, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/45 "2003-08-10T23:14:00Z")
> [@](#): > > _Satisfying Andy Licious_ > If it’s so hard to be black in America, name a black-majority nation where it’s easy. > > Dickhead. Huh? Where was I screaming and crying over imagined racism? What’s your point anyway, that I should just be lucky that you put up with me over here? Pathetic racist brat. ---
**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/46 "2003-08-11T01:53:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by swami \* > \*\*I think being Black in Botswana should be pretty easy. > > Knee jerk much? Get over yourself. \*\* > [@](#): > > [Botswana](http://www.opendemocracy.net/themes/article-5-1418.jsp) is now thought to have the highest HIV rate in the world, with an epidemic that threatens to reduce the working population by as much as 20% within a decade. An economic forecast that evokes catastrophe for a burgeoning economy. > > What has this got to do with peoples who live on the margins of Botswana? … Many of these peoples have lost, or are losing, their rights to their own land. Many have been relocated, by a mixture of force and bribery, to settlements outside their territories. The jerk is you. ---
**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/47 "2003-08-11T01:58:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pizzabrat \* > **Huh? Where was I screaming and crying over imagined racism? What’s your point anyway, that I should just be lucky that you put up with me over here?** You are lucky that any human being, at any place, puts up with you. I pity your mother for the guilt she must feel for inflicting you on the world. ---
**Author:** ![swami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@swami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swami)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 2:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/48 "2003-08-11T02:14:07Z")
**Satisfying Andy Licious** , HIV is a problem in Botswana, but what does that have to do with being Black in Botswana? You claimed that it’s easier being Black in America then elsewhere. So, here’s my question: “Is it harder being Black in Botswana, then it is being Black in America?” > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Satisfying Andy Licious \* > \*\*The jerk is you. \*\* That’s nice. ---
**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/49 "2003-08-11T05:52:56Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by swami \* > \*\ ***Satisfying Andy Licious** , HIV is a problem in Botswana, but what does that have to do with being Black in Botswana? > > You claimed that it’s easier being Black in America then elsewhere. So, here’s my question: “Is it harder being Black in Botswana, then it is being Black in America?” That’s nice. \*\* I’m not the one who started this "go someplace else"shit. pizzabrat said “…God, what a whiner. Hey, if it’s so hard to be a white man in America, why don’t you just move?” So I threw it back at him/her. And yes, it would be harder being black in Botswana if you’re a member of one of the ethnic groups being deprived of their land and their rights. Try reading the fucking quote, dildo. Or maybe it just got by you because black oppression of other black people never garners much outrage. ---
**Author:** ![Mockingbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c68b51/32.png) [@Mockingbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mockingbird)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/50 "2003-08-11T06:00:48Z")
Andylicious, your bias is showing in GD, which shows your investment here. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=203631](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=203631) You make a claim without substantiation that men aren’t allowed in a family homeles shelter with the rest of their family. Many have requested a cite with none given. Is it so terribly hard to be oppressed for being a white male? Is the entire world against you? Watch me cry you a fucking river. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 6:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/51 "2003-08-11T06:14:16Z")
White males in the US certainly do face discrimination. Black males in the US face more discrimination though. On the other hand, black males in the US have things such as special scholorships available to them that white men can’t get. Blah, blah, blah. At the end of the day if you’re competent at what you do and you don’t act like a dickhead, you’re likely to do well in life. Haj ---
**Author:** ![swami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@swami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swami)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 10:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/52 "2003-08-11T10:15:19Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Satisfying Andy Licious \* > **I’m not the one who started this "go someplace else"shit. pizzabrat said “…God, what a whiner. Hey, if it’s so hard to be a white man in America, why don’t you just move?” So I threw it back at him/her.** That’s nice, I’m sure you were justified.\*\* > [@](#): > > And yes, it would be harder being black in Botswana if you’re a member of one of the ethnic groups being deprived of their land and their rights…(snip) Or maybe it just got by you because black oppression of other black people never garners much outrage. \*\* Hmmm…:dubious: Let’s try this again stall we? **Satisfying Andy Licious** , ethnic conflict is a problem in Botswana, but what does that have to do with being Black in Botswana? You made the claim that it is easier being _ **Black** _ in America then elsewhere. So, here’s my question: “Is it harder being _ **Black** _ in Botswana, then it is being _ **Black** _ in America?”\*\* > [@](#): > > Try reading the fucking quote, dildo.\*\* Cute. ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/53 "2003-08-11T12:34:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by swami \* > \*\*You made the claim that it is easier being _ **Black** _ in America then elsewhere. So, here’s my question: “Is it harder being _ **Black** _ in Botswana, then it is being _ **Black** _ in America?” I was in Botswana earlier this year. It’s pretty much harder to be anything in Botswana than anything in the US. Haj ---
**Author:** ![pizzabrat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/e9c0ed/32.png) [@pizzabrat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pizzabrat)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/54 "2003-08-11T13:41:33Z")
> [@](#): > > _Satisfying Andy Licious_ > I’m not the one who started this "go someplace else"shit. pizzabrat said “…God, what a whiner. Hey, if it’s so hard to be a white man in America, why don’t you just move?” So I threw it back at him/her. No you didn’t. I didn’t say anything about going to a “white country” to you. I don’t know why you restricted my choice to a “black country”. Anyway, why don’t you name a white country where it’s easier to be white than here? ---
**Author:** ![swami](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/43a26b/32.png) [@swami](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swami)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/55 "2003-08-11T13:56:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by hajario \* > \*\*I was in Botswana earlier this year. It’s pretty much harder to be anything in Botswana than anything in the US. \*\* Another one? 😕 Maybe, I am not clear enough in my questioning? I understand the problems that Botswana is facing as a developing southern African country opposed to the USA, but as an African country would being _ **Black** _ be one of those problems (opposed to the USA)? [hijack]P.S.- What were you in Botswana for? (If you don’t mind me asking)[/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/56 "2003-08-11T14:53:06Z")
I can report second-hand knowledge that yes, black people in African countries suffer racism too. Example: Black Zimbabwean was driving two white American friends around the countryside. They wanted to go across to Botswana for the day and the black Zimbabwean was prevented from crossing the border, because he was “clearly” paying the white Americans (who he had “clearly” never met before - obviously he was lying) to help him cross over. There was no question raised about the Americans. I won’t presume to further represent the situation of black Africans although I have much experience with them. I am also unqualified to determine whether racism experienced in America is “worse” than that experienced in Africa. I would ask that, unless you have had the experience of being black in Africa and in America, that y’all provide a similar courtesy. We now return to our regularly scheduled anti-affirmative action thread … ---
**Author:** ![hajario](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hajario/32/171_2.png) [@hajario](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/hajario)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/57 "2003-08-11T15:45:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by swami \* > \*\*Another one? 😕 Maybe, I am not clear enough in my questioning? > > I understand the problems that Botswana is facing as a developing southern African country opposed to the USA, but as an African country would being _ **Black** _ be one of those problems (opposed to the USA)?\*\* OK, I see your point now. Some of the problems do have to do with being the wrong kind of black, i.e. problems between different tribes. \*\* > [@](#): > > [hijack]P.S.- What were you in Botswana for? (If you don’t mind me asking)[/hijack] \*\* I visited a couple of game lodges in the national park in the Okavango Delta for safari. It was an unbelievable experience. Haj ---
**Author:** ![cher3](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@cher3](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cher3)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/58 "2003-08-11T15:50:36Z")
I just came off a stretch where I and my husband were simultaneously laid off. It took me 6 months to get a new job and it took my husband 4 months, when it’s never taken either of us more than a couple of weeks before. I know how much fun the hiring process is and I do have sympathy for anyone going through it. I agree with everything the OP said about job interviewing right now, except one. It sucks. However, it doesn’t selectively suck more for skilled white males. ---
**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/59 "2003-08-11T17:48:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Mockingbird \* > \*\*Andylicious, your bias is showing in GD, which shows your investment here. > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=203631](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?threadid=203631) > > You make a claim without substantiation that men aren’t allowed in a family homeles shelter with the rest of their family. Many have requested a cite with none given. > > Is it so terribly hard to be oppressed for being a white male? > > Is the entire world against you? > > Watch me cry you a fucking river. \*\* Your “bias” is shown in any thread in which you object to discrimination, harassment, etc., against your group. So – from now on, my official response to any complaint from your group should be “cry you a fucking river”? After all, if you don’t care about my rights, why the fuck should I care about yours? ---
**Author:** ![Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/50afbb/32.png) [@Satisfying\_Andy\_Licious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Satisfying_Andy_Licious)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2003, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547/60 "2003-08-11T18:59:10Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by cher3 \* > \*\*I just came off a stretch where I and my husband were simultaneously laid off. \*\* [The Seasonally Adjusted Unemployment Rate was 6.2% in July.](http://www.bls.gov/cps/home.htm) Seems to me you still have relatively little to whine about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-fucking-love-filling-out-affirmative-action-surveys-during-a-job-interview/193547.md?page=4)