# Yes, I know we've done the Pat Buchanan is a fucking racist thing before. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 21, 2009, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601 "2009-10-21T13:59:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/e8c25b/32.png) [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Really_Not_All_That_Bright)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/61 "2009-10-22T20:55:21Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [I define it as something well to the left of “liberal” and well to the right of “socialist,”](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=496350) but that is probably not what Buchanan nor **LonesomePolecat** means by the word. I suspect both believe there isn’t any ideological space between “liberal” and “socialist”. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/62 "2009-10-22T21:02:47Z")
Ummm, I know that you know about them and I’m not arguing with you about them. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/63 "2009-10-22T21:46:22Z")
> [@Really\_Not\_All\_That\_Bright](#): > > I suspect both believe there isn’t any ideological space between “liberal” and “socialist”. I suspect both believe there isn’t any **difference** between “liberal” and “socialist,” but the less said of that the better. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/64 "2009-10-22T21:46:36Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > _Guillotines_? Dude, it’s well known that the Liberal Nazi Communists (or is it Communist Nazi Liberals, never can remember) that will run the FEMA death camps hate guns … and they’re French, or eat French fries, or something French. 😃 CMC fnord! 30,000 guillotines? Well that explains why Walmart never has them in stock. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/65 "2009-10-22T21:59:17Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > I suspect both believe there isn’t any **difference** between “liberal” and “socialist,” but the less said of that the better. Jesus, didn’t you read the rules? The First Rule of the Liberal Socialist Consolidation Party is you don’t talk about the Liberal Socialist Consolidation Party. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2009, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/66 "2009-10-22T22:19:29Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > 😃 > CMC fnord! > 30,000 guillotines? Well that explains why Walmart never has them in stock. ☹ **SNORKCH!** You owe me a new monitor. No, nothing happened to my old one, I’d just kind of like a new one. ---
**Author:** ![Tinkertoy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f19dbf/32.png) [@Tinkertoy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tinkertoy)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/67 "2009-10-23T00:42:18Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > _Guillotines_? Have you priced natural gas lately? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/68 "2009-10-23T00:48:42Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > **eleanor** , you ignorant slut! > > I have over 8,000 posts to this board. Kindly point to one. single. post. of mine that expresses a belief in what **LavenderBlue** said. So much for a sense of humor… Something else that Pat lacks! OMG–I’m on to something. :eek: ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/69 "2009-10-23T01:03:43Z")
“ **eleanor** , you ignorant slut!” was _meant_ in humor. You know, SNL, Counterpoint, Dan Aykroyd, “Jane, you ignorant slut!” Any of that ring a bell? ---
**Author:** ![Harborwolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Harborwolf](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harborwolf)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/70 "2009-10-23T01:08:48Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > “ **eleanor** , you ignorant slut!” was _meant_ in humor. You know, SNL, Counterpoint, Dan Aykroyd, “Jane, you ignorant slut!” > > Any of that ring a bell? Think of this as a lesson learned. Hopefully you won’t do what I did and whip that reference out at Thanksgiving dinner with your wife’s family. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2009, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/71 "2009-10-23T02:42:13Z")
😃 No, but I went through something just as bad. Shortly after I had met my future wife (I was in my twenties and she was nineteen, we were having dinner with a couple who were friends of mine and their mother. I didn’t know this at the time but my fiance had led a somewhat sheltered life and had somehow come to be of the belief that “pussy” meant “twit” and “twit” meant “pussy.” So we’re talking away over dinner and the subject turns to some dorky character on TV and my darling fiance laughs and blurts out “I just love him, he’s such a _pussy_!” You could have heard a pin drop. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/72 "2009-10-24T03:19:52Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > “ **eleanor** , you ignorant slut!” was _meant_ in humor. You know, SNL, Counterpoint, Dan Aykroyd, “Jane, you ignorant slut!” > > Any of that ring a bell? I got the ignorant slut bit, I was talking about the defensiveness re **LavendarBlue**. Good night and have a pleasant tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/73 "2009-10-24T18:52:09Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > Dude, it’s well known that the Liberal Nazi Communists (or is it Communist Nazi Liberals, never can remember) that will run the FEMA death camps hate guns … FEMA has death camps? GREAT! We can pair them up with all the hospital and insurance death panels and save save tons of money! I was concerned that every hospital and insurance company would need its own death camp, and they can’t cooperate on joint death camps because of anti-trust laws. But with a third, neutral, death camp provider, it’s win-win! ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/74 "2009-10-24T20:11:49Z")
> [@A Monkey With a Gun](#): > > Wait a second here. Maybe y’all can help me with something here. There’s this quote:Um, did Pat just blame undeserved Wall Street bonuses on illegal immigrants? 'cause you got to admit that leap is pretty fucking impressive. It’s the “Evel Kneivel jumps the Snake River Canyon” of right wing punditry. And Pat wasn’t even wearing a helmet. I think I’m actually impressed. Actually, I’m fonder of the “they work for wages American families can’t live on” part. Which implies that either Latinos are some sort of new stage of evolution that doesn’t require food, or that American families are a bunch of spoiled little bitches. Either way, compelling argument there, Pat. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/75 "2009-10-24T20:12:47Z")
> [@](#): > > had somehow come to be of the belief that “pussy” meant “twit” and “twit” meant “pussy.” Close – only off by one letter. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/76 "2009-10-24T21:36:14Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > Actually, I’m fonder of the “they work for wages American families can’t live on” part. Which implies that either Latinos are some sort of new stage of evolution that doesn’t require food, or that American families are a bunch of spoiled little bitches. > > Either way, compelling argument there, Pat. Yeah, that one kind of dropped my jaw too. Like maybe latinos are raiding dumpsters behind restaurants to supplement their meals, which would be beneath ‘real’ Americans. Or maybe latinos are willing to live at at such a level of squalor and filth and overcrowding that it is beyond conceivable to middle-class Americans. And there may be some element of truth to that for some immigrants. But Pat seems to think they are underbidding Americans on RFPs to take their work, and this is some form of theft, when in fact they are desperately poor people who have to take what they can get. Someone needs to remind Pat of how his Irish ancestors were greeted. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/77 "2009-10-24T21:42:12Z")
Wait a minute! I thought the liberal line on Mexican immigrants was that the evil conservative cabal wanted them here _because_ they’ll work for wages that Americans won’t. You are the ones saying that! And now, because a conservative mentions that they will work for less than Americans will work for – something you’ve already acknowledged – he’s suddenly a bigot? ---
**Author:** ![waterj2](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/858c86/32.png) [@waterj2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/waterj2)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/78 "2009-10-24T21:57:01Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Wait a minute! I thought the liberal line on Mexican immigrants was that the evil conservative cabal wanted them here _because_ they’ll work for wages that Americans won’t. You are the ones saying that! > > And now, because a conservative mentions that they will work for less than Americans will work for – something you’ve already acknowledged – he’s suddenly a bigot? Buchanan said that immigrants from Mexico work for wages that Americans _can’t_ live on. As if Latinos have some ability to make do for less that they use to get one over on real Americans. ---
**Author:** ![Boyo\_Jim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/87869e/32.png) [@Boyo\_Jim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boyo_Jim)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/79 "2009-10-24T22:00:37Z")
> [@Starving\_Artist](#): > > Wait a minute! I thought the liberal line on Mexican immigrants was that the evil conservative cabal wanted them here _because_ they’ll work for wages that Americans won’t. You are the ones saying that! > > And now, because a conservative mentions that they will work for less than Americans will work for – something you’ve already acknowledged – he’s suddenly a bigot? In this particular case, not ecessarily a bigot so much as an idiot. He says Mexicans will work for a pay that Americans **can’t** , rather than American **won’t**. You can interpret that several ways, none of which reflect very well on Pat, IMO. And perhaps they don’t reflect all that well on Americans either, though Pat is clearly not suggesting that. ---
**Author:** ![Starving\_Artist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/aeb1de/32.png) [@Starving\_Artist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Starving_Artist)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2009, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601/80 "2009-10-24T22:11:30Z")
I think they do have an ability to get by on less. Asians do too. My guess is that Buchanan thinks the same way I do: that they work long, hard hours, live frugally and several together to cut expenses, and send as much as they can to help their families back home. I think they’re rather admirable myself…apart from the fact that there here illegally. There’s also the fact that illegal immigrants generally don’t have the same expenses that your typical American citizens do. They aren’t buying new cars and houses and trying to feed and clothe their families, furnish them with health care, and finance college educations for their children. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-i-know-weve-done-the-pat-buchanan-is-a-fucking-racist-thing-before/514601.md?page=5)