# Yes, Marley23, you are stupid **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 23, 2008, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081 "2008-11-23T05:58:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/61 "2008-11-23T21:40:37Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Now that we’ve got that worked out, I don’t think \*\*Frank \*\*ever answered my question (post #7). I’d hate for \*\*Frank \*\*to wander around in ignorance with no explanation of the rules for which moderator is allowed to moderate which forum. I was snorting at **Marley** ’s comment, not at whether a mod is allowed to operate in forums to which he or she is not assigned. But _you’re_ not that stupid, right? You knew what I meant. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/62 "2008-11-23T21:43:37Z")
As to the hijack, I don’t think “knock it off” is rude. ---
**Author:** ![fortytwo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/f9ae1b/32.png) [@fortytwo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fortytwo)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/63 "2008-11-23T22:07:41Z")
I hate to see Mods and ex Mods squabbling in the open like this. It spoils my image of a group of wise and indulgent gods dispensing justice and advice in a benign and open handed manner. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/64 "2008-11-23T22:31:56Z")
> [@Vetch](#): > > I hate to see Mods and ex Mods squabbling in the open like this. Say they were in a paddling pool full of cold custard, would that make it more palatable? ---
**Author:** ![rowrrbazzle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rowrrbazzle/32/414_2.png) [@rowrrbazzle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rowrrbazzle)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/65 "2008-11-23T22:54:22Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Interesting. In 11 years of message board surfing, four years of moderating a message board, and way too many years of speaking American English in the U.S., the is the very first time I have ever heard that “knock it off” was demeaning or insulting or whatever. > > Is this a regional thing? Gee, tom, I thought you knew. These days it’s how the listener feels, not your intent. 😃 All kidding aside, I’ve had a couple (justly) directed at me, and I’m not insulted or anything. It’s short and gets the point across. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2008, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/66 "2008-11-23T23:14:22Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > I was snorting at **Marley** ’s comment, not at whether a mod is allowed to operate in forums to which he or she is not assigned. But _you’re_ not that stupid, right? You knew what I meant. Oh fuck yeah, I knew what you meant. And you might notice, I didn’t comment on it in the thread where you did it, even though you were clearly threadshitting. In fact, you might notice I didn’t respond to your OP, but instead to this gem: [QUOTE=Frank] Because of his comment that he reports questionable GD posts to the GD mods. While he may do that, it does not stop him from throwing his moderatorial weight around in GD. I specifically asked him once if he was a GD mod; no response. [/QUOTE] Remember saying that? That statement is misleading, at best, as I’ll illustrate in a moment. And it didn’t go unnoticed: [QUOTE=Sarahfeena] Well, in Frank’s defense, he says he has pursued his question before, and didn’t get a response from Marley, which makes it sound as though Marley is the one who started with being passive-aggressive in the first place. [/QUOTE] That’s why I said, “Since that time has any staff member explained to you what the rule is regarding moderators acting in other forums? Because I’d be happy to explain it to you, but I think the “no response” part is very misleading.” I have it on good authority that \*\*Frank \*\* took his case to another member of the staff, who pointed out to \*\*Frank \*\* that we have “no rule that moderators are only allowed to moderate in their own forums.” He was asked for citations that proved his point. **Frank** responded, “I’ve cooled off today. After mulling it over, I don’t think I wish to go any further with this.” So \*\*Frank \*\*, you \*did \*get a response, albeit not from **Marley** , and accepted it. Then you stopped by to shit the thread, and when that was pointed out, you started this one, in which you called \*\*Marley \*\*a “liar.” ---
**Author:** ![Acsenray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/acsenray/32/4519_2.png) [@Acsenray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Acsenray)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/67 "2008-11-24T00:11:31Z")
For the times I’ve seen a mod use “knock it off” it has struck me as the appropriate balance between stern and informal. I think those who are seeing it as insulting or condescending are coming to this with a guilty conscience. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/68 "2008-11-24T00:17:50Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > **Frank** responded, “I’ve cooled off today. After mulling it over, I don’t think I wish to go any further with this.” Private emails to the staff are fair game to be posted on the board? I never knew that. Regardless of whether I continued what I decided would be a fruitless quest or not, my opinion still holds that **Marley23** is the most useless and incompetent mod I’ve seen in my time on the board. ---
**Author:** ![Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heffalump_and_roo/32/7691_2.png) [@Heffalump\_and\_Roo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Heffalump_and_Roo)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/69 "2008-11-24T00:33:44Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Private emails to the staff are fair game to be posted on the board? I never knew that. If they are, can we see more private e-mails from mods? I can break out the popcorn. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Green\_Bean](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/green_bean/32/1760_2.png) [@Green\_Bean](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Green_Bean)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/70 "2008-11-24T00:39:36Z")
> [@eleanorigby](#): > > And then he could yell, “Hey! I’m modding here!” and hitch up his trousers etc. Must be posted in Brooklynese… Ooh ooh! And when **Frank** snorted, he coulda said, “I’m funny how, I mean funny like I’m a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I’m here to fuckin’ amuse you?” And **Frank** : I wouldn’t have bothered to answer your “question” about whether **Marley** was a GD mod either. I know that you know damn well that he isn’t, and that he is allowed to moderate in that forum regardless. You only “asked” to be a dick. Either that, or you’re the most useless and incompetent [ex-]mod ever. FWIW–it would have never occurred to me that anyone would find “knock it off” condescending or inappropriate. But I’m from the land of the crass too. ---
**Author:** ![FoieGrasIsEvil](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foiegrasisevil/32/16638_2.png) [@FoieGrasIsEvil](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FoieGrasIsEvil)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/71 "2008-11-24T00:58:14Z")
> [@Vetch](#): > > I hate to see Mods and ex Mods squabbling in the open like this. > > **It spoils my image of a group of wise and indulgent gods dispensing justice and advice in a benign and open handed manner**. Yeah, but it gets so lonely and boring at the top of Mount Olympus. Even the wise, sage Gods must kick around their subjects every once and awhile. ---
**Author:** ![Gfactor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/9de053/32.png) [@Gfactor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gfactor)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/72 "2008-11-24T01:09:30Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > Private emails to the staff are fair game to be posted on the board? I never knew that. Apparently you didn’t know a lot of things. You are the one who brought private discussions into this thread. While I admire your ambition in feigning surprise when disingenuity fails you, this isn’t your best work. > [@](#): > > Regardless of whether I continued what I decided would be a fruitless quest or not, my opinion still holds that **Marley23** is the most useless and incompetent mod I’ve seen in my time on the board. I know a worse one. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/73 "2008-11-24T01:40:03Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > You are the one who brought private discussions into this thread. Where, precisely, did I do that? ---
**Author:** ![Quasimodem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/e274bd/32.png) [@Quasimodem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quasimodem)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/74 "2008-11-24T01:49:03Z")
I don’t have a dog in this fight (or however that phrase goes), but it’s my understanding that private e-mails are **not** fair game to post openly. Take that from someone who’s violated that rule. Q ---
**Author:** ![Sapo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ec9cab/32.png) [@Sapo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sapo)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/75 "2008-11-24T01:59:29Z")
> [@Frank](#): > > …my opinion still holds that **Marley23** is the most useless and incompetent mod I’ve seen in my time on the board. C’mon, that was settled in post #1, we have since moved on to other more debatable topics. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/76 "2008-11-24T02:02:17Z")
C’mon, you can’t have posters wandering about the boards ‘snorting’ at moderators like a pack of water buffalo, and… Uh-oh. ---
**Author:** ![Nutty\_Bunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/d07c76/32.png) [@Nutty\_Bunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nutty_Bunny)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/77 "2008-11-24T02:24:16Z")
> [@Sapo](#): > > In the nicest of ways and with sugar on top, I urge you and all mods to reconsider its use in mod warnings. It really sounds condescending and rude. “Knock it off” is what I would tell my 4yo when he kicks the back of my seat in the car. I don’t think that’s the right image for mod actions. Just my opinion. You know what? I say that to my 2 1/2 year old, but she doesn’t cry about it. I would expect adults to live up to that standard, especially in a place in which everyone knows (or should know) the rules. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/73ab20/32.png) [@The\_Tao\_s\_Revenge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tao_s_Revenge)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/78 "2008-11-24T03:24:19Z")
> [@Sapo](#): > > And just because you got the _Pax Imperia_, that doesn’t mean that the feeling is gone. If people leave feeling shut up, they can hang on to that and be on the lookout for a future chance to return the favor. This deserves repeating. ---
**Author:** ![leander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/bcef8e/32.png) [@leander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leander)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 7:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/79 "2008-11-24T07:45:53Z")
> [@Gfactor](#): > > Oh fuck yeah, I knew what you meant. And you might notice, I didn’t comment on it in the thread where you did it, even though you were clearly threadshitting. In fact, you might notice I didn’t respond to your OP, but instead to this gem: > > Remember saying that? > > That statement is misleading, at best, as I’ll illustrate in a moment. And it didn’t go unnoticed: > > That’s why I said, “Since that time has any staff member explained to you what the rule is regarding moderators acting in other forums? Because I’d be happy to explain it to you, but I think the “no response” part is very misleading.” > > I have it on good authority that \*\*Frank \*\* took his case to another member of the staff, who pointed out to \*\*Frank \*\* that we have “no rule that moderators are only allowed to moderate in their own forums.” He was asked for citations that proved his point. > > **Frank** responded, “I’ve cooled off today. After mulling it over, I don’t think I wish to go any further with this.” > > So \*\*Frank \*\*, you \*did \*get a response, albeit not from **Marley** , and accepted it. Then you stopped by to shit the thread, and when that was pointed out, you started this one, in which you called \*\*Marley \*\*a “liar.” You really are a little shit for airing your dirty laundry in public. Yes, I know, “he did it first” (waaaaaa) – which shows you have the maturity of an 8 yr old. Congrats on that. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2008, 8:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081/80 "2008-11-24T08:07:20Z")
I have no idea why some of you have a problem with **Marley23**. And this isn’t the side of **Frank** that I’m used to either. I think the first time that a mod ever spoke to me (Coldfire, perhaps?), he told me to “knock it off.” I was _stunned_. No one had talked to me that way in about fifty years. (I had had students call me names, but no one in authority had been that casually rude.) I’m old enough to have great-grandchildren, so it was just unexpected. I had always associated it with bullies. I’d rather be told to “Let it drop” or “Leave it alone for now.” But if that’s too much trouble, by all means take your shortcut. When I was growing up, getting slapped or beaten up by my mother always worked too. > [@](#): > > **Mr. Dibble** : Mods are police, not debate chairs. And “living in moderation” means living in a police state? I don’t think so. Mods are here to make things go smoothly and in accord with the purposes of the SDMB. I vote for “debate chairs.” Finally, **Marley** we think you’re cool. You’ve always treated me with fairness and you explain yourself well. I have no idea what they are talking about. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-marley23-you-are-stupid/474081.md?page=5)