# Yes, Monty - you ARE a smartass. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 7, 2003, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714 "2003-05-07T17:51:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2003, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/61 "2003-06-04T15:21:52Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by sailor \* > \*\ ***andros** , That’s what happens when you’re a jerk: people tend to agree that you are, in fact, a jerk. Monty has earned it fair and square and he is _still_ belligerent and unappologetic. In other words, he continues to be a jerk and promises to continue being a jerk. The fact that _everybody_ is telling him he is being a jerk means nothing to him. \*\* Perhaps “almost everyone.” My only contribution in this thread was to defend Monty’s actions WRT to the doctrine question. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/62 "2003-07-08T07:19:30Z")
**Monty** , since we crossed paths here a bit over a month ago you have been posting jibes and potshots against me. You are holding a grudge and you can’t let go. As you have seen, I have just ignored your posts all this time and not responded but this is getting tiring. > [@](#): > > [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3667443#post3667443](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3667443#post3667443) > > sailor: The rules of evidence are different, to varying degrees, from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. But keep on posting irrelevancies, please. I need the entertainment. which I ignored but **dutchboy208** corrected you and then, when I agreed with him, you post > [@](#): > > This might be a novel concept for you here, sailor, but try to be clear about what you mean. What you said then and what you say now are two different things. You fucking idiot. Read my post. Everybody else understood it correctly except yourself and you continue to be the asshole. My original post was VERY clear in that it was referring to the executive order. You are the only one who misconstrued it. It is getting tiring and I wish you would just ignore me and my posts or I am going to have to respond in the Pit every time. I even went to find a year-old thread to cite and there [**you have a meltdown with UDS**](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2241627#post2241627) and I asked you nicely to cool it and you were even warned by a moderator. You just ruin threads for everybody with your childish attitude and you need to chill. And if you cannot help holding a grudge against me then just try to ignore my posts. The rest of the posters do not seem to have a problem reading and understanding them. The entire board has told you you have a lousy attitude. maybe the world has a point? As long as you continue your childish campaign against me I will either ignore your posts or respond in the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dreaming_of_Maria_Callas)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 10:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/63 "2003-07-08T10:55:17Z")
I’m getting sick of **Monty** ’s denseness. It seems like he like to toy with the minds of Dopers by intentionally misunderstanding them. If a personal is speaking figuratively, he’ll interpret them literally just to have his jollies. See my post in the Pit thread on the looting of Bhagdad Airport. I said the military so teaches you to work as a team that one is often made responsible for the actions of his peers. **Monty** chose to interpret this as if they were legally responsible just to seem a High and Mighty Expert on all things Military. BTW **Monty** , a lot of us here on the Board have served in the Navy or other branches of service. While I’m sure your time at PSD this or that taught you about all kinds of regs, you are not the only true authority on military experience of the Board. UnuMondo ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/64 "2003-07-08T11:41:13Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by UncleBill \* > \*\*You know, there is a psychological disorder wherein people feel mentally superior and everyone else is wrong and beneath them. They have an inability to be flexible in understanding a subject, everything is completely black and white. They focus in on one aspect of a discussion and run with it. I do not recall the disorder, but remarked to myself that certain aspects of this disorder could explain certain aspects of **Monty** ’s behavior here on the boards. Gotta go to work now, can’t search for it. \*\* [Narcissistic Personality Disorder](http://www.psychologynet.org/npd.html): > [@](#): > > A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by **five (or more)** of the following: > > \*1.)has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) \* > 2.)is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love > _3.)believes that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)_ > 4.)requires excessive admiration > _5.)has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations_ > _6.)is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends_ > _7.)lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others_ > 8.)is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her > _9.)shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes_ I think that is 5 or more, dont you all? ---
**Author:** ![Briny\_Deep](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/briny_deep/32/17188_2.png) [@Briny\_Deep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Briny_Deep)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/65 "2003-07-08T16:30:44Z")
I’m sorry this thread was resurrected. I was just thinking about it yesterday, and came to the conclusion that, in spite of his responses here, **Monty** has actually been somewhat nicer since this Pitting. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2003, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/66 "2003-07-08T22:26:44Z")
Well, not with me. For the last month he has just made a nuisance of himself and I just ignored him but now that I respond he is the one who chooses not to respond. I do not think he has much to say in his defense. He was just being the usual asshole and he knows it. What bothers me most is not just his childish barbs but the fact that he ruins perfectly good threads because when they get sidetracked on his stupid and heated stupidities people leave in disgust. ---
**Author:** ![Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boo_Boo_Foo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 6:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/67 "2003-07-09T06:15:32Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by andros \* > \*\*Wow. > > Ya know, as a crucible for pack mentality, high school hazing ain’t got a step on the internet. > > Christ, it’s like watching hyenas. \*\* Very true **Andros** … very true indeed. Interestingly however, it’s a syndrome which can only “get to you” if you empower it to be important to you. I recognise that what I’m about to say falls into the “arguably psychobabble” department, but it needs to be said… messageboards, and the internet in general, somehow mysteriously propagates almost kindergarten like behaviour in adults… and you know what I mean… the tit for tat insults; the cries of **he started it first** ; the ganging up syndrome which requires an intellectual form of tribalism etc etc. This thread is full of it, but in the interests of fairness it should be noted that the SDMB is by no means an isolated event. On music websites in particular, the cliqueiness and popularity contest aspects are simply rampant. And worst of all, because there isn’t a physical threat of retribution existing in front of you, people say and behave on messageboards in manners they would NEVER behave like in real life. And what does this say to me? All things being equal, the greatest challenge of all is to simply know when it’s actually best to just walk away and say nothing than to consciously pour more fuel on the fire… To quote a lyric from a really cool song I heard once… **It doesn’t matter that you’re right, it’s your nature that you wanna fight…** That’s why it’s harder to walk away and be cool than it is start a pit thread, or sling around more insults… it’s innately non instinctive internet behaviour. I came into this thread thinking “Monty’s been pitted? Huh?” You know, I lurk here a lot and post somewhat regularly, and I thought to myself, “Hmmm… Monty’s always struck me as being a pretty cool guy with a healthy sense of objectivity… wonder what’s going on…” I didn’t learn much by reading this entire thread… but the nature of the thread, and the way people feel it’s cool to gang up on someone when they’re down and kick 'em in the ribs while it’s safe, well, quite frankly… there’s nothing noble in it. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 6:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/68 "2003-07-09T06:25:45Z")
Yeah, Boo Boo - but _you’re_ just absolutely fucking noble, aren’t you?:rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@Boo\_Boo\_Foo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boo_Boo_Foo)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 6:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/69 "2003-07-09T06:29:48Z")
Your point being? Look, any fool can jump on a hate fest. It doesn’t exactly require the himalayan peaks of intellectual capacity. So go ahead **blowero** , roll your eyes. My last post was hardly confrontational, or insulting, or particularly aimed at one person… would that it were that you yourself could have shown such restraint. ---
**Author:** ![blowero](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/41988e/32.png) [@blowero](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/blowero)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/70 "2003-07-09T07:00:12Z")
> [@](#): > > All things being equal, the greatest challenge of all is to simply know when it’s actually best to just walk away and say nothing than to consciously pour more fuel on the fire… Physician, heal thyself… ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 7:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/71 "2003-07-09T07:19:46Z")
**Boo Boo Foo** , I disagree with you. Pile up or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether the criticism is justified or not. If you find any of the accusations against Monty are not justified, then say so expecifically as otehr posters have done. But if they are all justified, then it just means the guy is an asshole and it is being justly recognised by a bunch of people. If a man is taken before a judge for the umpteenth time for committing burglaries “I am just unpopular” would be a pretty weak defense. Maybe he is unpopular because people are sick of him stealing their property? The judge has to judge on the objective facts of whether the man is guilty or not. Monty has a long history of being a jerk He has been a jerk for a long time and I have been ignoring him. Finally, look at the last incident: I answer him and he disappears, fucking coward that he is. If he does not want posters to pick on him why doesn’t he act a bit more nicely? And, if he is so convinced he is in the right why doesn’t he explain himself? Why does he keep being a jerk and then not making any attempt to explain himself or to smooth the situation? If you think any of the accusations in this thread are unjustified you can say so, and some posters have said so. But, in the meanwhile, many people saying he is behaving like a jerk is a good indication that, indeed, he is behaving like a jerk. Look at the incident that prompted me to reopen this thread and tell me if you think he is right. The guy has a short fuse and needs to cool it. ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 8:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/72 "2003-07-09T08:25:13Z")
As someone who has known Monty online since about 1996 or 1997, I can say that… …he’s a flaming asshole. It gets to a point where you learn to just see his name and you move on. After that point, life becomes more tranquil. I highly recommend it. Come… come to the other side… _Opal becons invitingly_ ---
**Author:** ![Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@Dreaming\_of\_Maria\_Callas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dreaming_of_Maria_Callas)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/73 "2003-07-09T14:23:13Z")
Wasn’t **Monty** a mod here at one time? How did the administrators let that happen if he really was such an asshat as long ago as 1996? UnuMondo ---
**Author:** ![OpalCat](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/8edcca/32.png) [@OpalCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OpalCat)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/74 "2003-07-09T14:52:03Z")
Not that I’m aware of. ---
**Author:** ![caterpillar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aca169/32.png) [@caterpillar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caterpillar)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2003, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/75 "2003-07-09T22:35:25Z")
I stumbled upon this forum by accident a while ago and wondered "what did this guy do to get such a beating?’ Now there are no more questions. He insults people’s opinions, and claims they aren’t facts —no they are opions! He goes off on his own opinion as if fact —can’t take your own advice? HE gets pissed off when people make generalizations about mormons — but his generalizations about muslims are okay? And does anybody know what this guy does? I am a busy student so I must admit I am only around in summer, but GOD DAMN, this guy is always here, always chiming in and letting the subject get seriously off track with his constant BITCHING! ---
**Author:** ![Epimetheus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c4cdca/32.png) [@Epimetheus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Epimetheus)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2003, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/76 "2003-07-10T02:38:34Z")
Yeah, don’t be ignorant of how the Masons work either. :rolleyes: Boy will that invite the fire. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2003, 6:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/77 "2003-07-10T06:20:21Z")
> [@](#): > > HE gets pissed off when people make generalizations about mormons — but his generalizations about muslims are okay? I do believe that, wrapped up in righteous wrath, you just might have overstepped the boundaries of fact, here. Can you provide any _generalization_ that **Monty** has flung at Islam or Muslims that could not be supported by citations? (And, since you _seem_ to be implying that he was hurling _pejorative_ comments against Islam, I strongly suspect that you have confused him with some other poster. **Monty** , whichever of his other actions tend to irritate people, is hardly known for making sweeping negative generalizations against _any_ religion (unless one considers Jack Chick or **His4ever** to be practicing some forms of 1-person religions). ---
**Author:** ![caterpillar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/aca169/32.png) [@caterpillar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/caterpillar)\ **Post date:** [July 10, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/78 "2003-07-10T19:46:47Z")
Not necissarily negative, but generalizations all the same. ALL people aren’t any one way. ---
**Author:** ![sailor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a587f6/32.png) [@sailor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sailor)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2003, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714/79 "2003-07-13T17:33:25Z")
Posted by Monty in [the same thread I last mentioned](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=195526&pagenumber=3) > [@](#): > > sailor: Since that article applies to POWs and the detainees at GITMO aren’t POWs, it’s pretty irrelevant Monty, you idiot, I told you to fuck the fuck off and you do not have the guts to come here and explain or justify your petty actions. You just disappear from the thread for a couple of days while things settle down and then return with your stupid jibes like nothing has happened. I am sick and fucking tired of your stupidity and you can be sure I will respond to you every time in the pit. I never said the Gitmo prisoners were or were not POWs. In fact I said the US government does not recognise them as POWs. My post was in response to zigaretten who said something about the Geneva Convention which was mistaken. My post just shows his assertion was mistaken. So go and get yourself fucked in some other thread and leave me alone. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-monty-you-are-a-smartass/173714.md?page=3)