# Yes, Trump said "Shates." It's not that funny. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 7, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788 "2017-12-07T13:19:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/81 "2017-12-08T04:49:06Z")
I kept thinking of that skit of Sean Connery on _Jeopardy_ capping on Alex Trebek’s Mom. ---
**Author:** ![wolfman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/a8b319/32.png) [@wolfman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfman)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/82 "2017-12-08T04:51:16Z")
Makes me wonder if his Rubio moment made him decide that he will never again have water during a speech, and just sound like drunk instead. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/83 "2017-12-08T05:14:47Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#): > > A stroke? Speculation centers on [TIA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transient_ischemic_attack): [INDENT][INDENT] A transient ischemic attack (TIA) is a brief episode of neurologic dysfunction caused by ischemia (loss of blood flow) – either focal brain, spinal cord, or retinal – without infarction (tissue death). TIAs have the same underlying cause as strokes: a disruption of cerebral blood flow (CBF). Symptoms caused by a TIA resolve in 24 hours or less. [/INDENT][/INDENT] Alcohol is another proposed explanation, but I would bet against that. For one thing there’s a noticeable difference between the first 30 seconds of the speech and the last 30 seconds: [x.com](https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/938506878690254848) Separately, here’s an apparently confused moment from last summer, where Trump wanders away from his Limo after stepping off his plane: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y-0Q5-gMcI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-y-0Q5-gMcI) Then there are comparisons between Trump’s current rambling and the interviews he gave during the 1990s. The President is an elderly male: we can’t rule out medical issues, especially given that he didn’t release meaningful medical records during the campaign. If Trump wants to quiet questions like this, he can submit to a thorough medical examination and release the results, like every other modern President. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/84 "2017-12-08T05:14:53Z")
That was really weird. I just watched the end of the speech on CNN because I can’t listen to Tmurp for too long without vomiting, but he was acting odd and slurring a lot more than just the last word or two. He was pursing his lips even more than normal as if trying to keep his teeth from forcibly ejecting themselves from his mouth. I don’t feel too bad about making fun of him for any infirmities since he does this aggressively to anyone he doesn’t like and boasts about his own supposedly perfect health. I never thought about him possibly having false teeth before. If he does, wouldn’t he have made sure to secure them better before making a speech? ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/85 "2017-12-08T05:22:34Z")
There was a pretty good maybe Reddit thread or something I read during the election where an alleged Dentist looked at pics of the candidates’ teeth and conjectured about work they had done. I really doubt Trump has dentures. The Dentist believed that he had veneers placed on all his teeth, which I think more likely. The Dentist also said he was really impressed with whomever placed them, and said something like they were among the best he had seen. Ok Found a Link: [https://imgur.com/a/ile5E](https://imgur.com/a/ile5E) ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/86 "2017-12-08T05:46:43Z")
It would be pretty ironic if, after all the political scheming on how to get Republicans to invoke the 25th Amendment because Trump is unfit for office, they actually had to invoke the 25th Amendment because he’s, you know, unfit for office due to being medically compromised. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/87 "2017-12-08T06:02:03Z")
Anyone want to bet SNL will be comedy gold this Saturday night? ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/88 "2017-12-08T06:45:48Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > Alcohol is another proposed explanation, but I would bet against that. For one thing there’s a noticeable difference between the first 30 seconds of the speech and the last 30 seconds: [x.com](https://twitter.com/aravosis/status/938506878690254848) Aravosis wrote more fully about this on AmericaBlog, where [he also pointed out](http://americablog.com/2017/12/trumps-speech-suddenly-slurs-major-jerusalem-statement.html) that Trump’s signature seemed unusually sloppy and messy compared to earlier signatures, with photos to illustrate his point. > [@](#): > > …in this signature the lines are jerky. It’s as if someone much older if drawing the signature slowly — no longer do you see the clean up and down motion in earlier Trump signatures. Look specifically at the way Trump draws the up and down lines to signify the letters “rum” in Trump — compare that to the way he used to do it in previous signatures. This one is messy, while previous signatures are drawn with very strong up and down lines. It reminds me of how my parents’ signatures degraded as they aged over the decades. But Trump’s degraded in a matter of months. One of the comments on that blogpost, by a self-described RN, noted: “He looked like he was bothered by the feeling of a really thick tongue (a symptom of stroke)… the sudden change from clear to slurred speech, the obvious uneven walk and his ‘plop-down’ at the signing desk and his usual meticulously written signature ending up looking like a train-wreck, I’m thinking maybe mini-stroke.” ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/89 "2017-12-08T06:49:30Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Aravosis wrote more fully about this on AmericaBlog, where [he also pointed out](http://americablog.com/2017/12/trumps-speech-suddenly-slurs-major-jerusalem-statement.html) that Trump’s signature seemed unusually sloppy and messy compared to earlier signatures, with photos to illustrate his point. > > One of the comments on that blogpost, by a self-described RN, noted: “He looked like he was bothered by the feeling of a really thick tongue (a symptom of stroke)… the sudden change from clear to slurred speech, the obvious uneven walk and his ‘plop-down’ at the signing desk and his usual meticulously written signature ending up looking like a train-wreck, I’m thinking maybe mini-stroke.” I hope there’s a medical retirement coming. A great way for him to avoid answering any charges too. All he has to do is mumble and look incoherent. Win/win. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 6:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/90 "2017-12-08T06:55:06Z")
Honestly, he sounded off at the beginning. Not in his speech, but his energy was messed up. He did not sound like himself. I would normally just assume he was tired, but I wonder if he was sick before that. Being dehydrated and about to faint does make some sense, though. But so does a TIA. Or just a migraine, really. As for taking him to the hospital, he could insist they not do that, and not mention any possible numbness if it was a TIA. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Feldon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lord_feldon/32/341_2.png) [@Lord\_Feldon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Feldon)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/91 "2017-12-08T07:01:06Z")
We already knew he’s not exactly Mr. Stamina. That’s part of why Hillary won the debates (whatever good that did). And remember when he rode around in the golf cart as the other leaders walked around some town? > [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Aravosis wrote more fully about this on AmericaBlog, where [he also pointed out](http://americablog.com/2017/12/trumps-speech-suddenly-slurs-major-jerusalem-statement.html) that Trump’s signature seemed unusually sloppy and messy compared to earlier signatures, with photos to illustrate his point. I’ve seen this going around, but I’m not really convinced that people aren’t just imagining what they want to see. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/92 "2017-12-08T07:06:05Z")
> [@sunny daze](#): > > do you all remember when mccain began having problems with his public speaking? It culminated with his questions at a hearing, when he was clearly not himself. > > Some people may be pointing and laughing. I guarantee that some people are thinking back to that relatively recent example, and looking at all of trump’s recent erratic behavior, and wondering if this is another symptom. it’s a tumah!!! ---
**Author:** ![Morgenstern](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/93 "2017-12-08T07:13:31Z")
_I watched the clip and, as a physician who specializes in brain function and disability, I don’t think a stroke was behind the slurred words. But having evaluated the chief executive’s remarkable behavior through my clinical lens for almost a year, I do believe he is displaying signs that could indicate a degenerative brain disorder._ > **[I’m a brain specialist. I think Trump should be tested for a degenerative...](https://www.statnews.com/2017/12/07/donald-trump-should-be-tested-for-brain-disease/)** > > A brain specialist sees worrisome symptoms in President Trump's problems with language, memory, attention, concentration, and social cognition that he says may indicate a degenerative brain disease. We knew that. ---
**Author:** ![Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brown_eyed_girl/32/3574_2.png) [@Brown\_Eyed\_Girl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brown_Eyed_Girl)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/94 "2017-12-08T07:18:57Z")
> [@wolfman](#): > > Makes me wonder if his Rubio moment made him decide that he will never again have water during a speech, and just sound like drunk instead. Horseshit. It wasn’t “dry mouth.” People with dry mouth during a speech don’t slur. They cough, clear their throat. Sibilants engage the tongue and teeth; not the throat. If he was having trouble enunciating due to dry throat, I would have expected to hear vocal wavering or cutting off syllables, along with some throat clearing and dry coughing. ETA: He was having difficulty with fricatives. The first time I heard something off was on the word ‘rethink’. It sounded like ‘retink’ to my ear. ---
**Author:** ![Maastricht](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/a88e57/32.png) [@Maastricht](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maastricht)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 8:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/95 "2017-12-08T08:46:38Z")
No way a rich and vain guy like Trump would have anything other then crowns and veneers. Never dentures. Therefore, it was intentional. Like the sniffing in the presidential debates, it is a distraction. Probably a distraction from a distraction from a distraction. The more everyone talks about the slurring, the less time they have left to talk, not only of the embassy move, but also of the tax plan and who benefits from it. How much do Trump and his cronies benefit from the new tax plan, anyway? [There’s the Hilldale carve out, for instance.](http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-gop-quickly-reverses-tax-bill-carve-out-1512188545-htmlstory.html) that would have favoured a college aligned with Betsy DeVos. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 12:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/96 "2017-12-08T12:48:48Z")
> [@AnalogSignal](#): > > … > I’m starting the Toother Movement. I want to see a tooth certificate that proves he has his original teeth. Seconded! All of thump’s dental records must be made public immediately! And no copies either–we need to see certified originals. > [@BigT](#): > > … > As for taking him to the hospital, he could insist they not do that, and not mention any possible numbness if it was a TIA. This, absolutely. Thump would never allow himself to be seen being carted off to a hospital. But take note if immediately after a speech, he is nowhere to be found, but a bin with an unusually large bundle of laundry exits through the loading dock area. Was it coincidental that [announcements](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/12/07/white-house-announces-physical-exam-for-trump-after-slurred-speech/23300782/)of his upcoming physical at Walter Reed came out quickly after this incident? Yeah, just coincidence. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/97 "2017-12-08T13:59:25Z")
Could somebody explain why, with all of the things that should occupy the president’s attention, he’s so adamant about fucking with Bears Ears & Grand Staircase national parks? ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/98 "2017-12-08T14:08:24Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Could somebody explain why, with all of the things that should occupy the president’s attention, he’s so adamant about fucking with Bears Ears & Grand Staircase national parks? Bears Ears was created by Obama and Trump’s and the GOP’s rich friends want to drill for oil there. In the Grand Staircase they want to mine for coal. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/99 "2017-12-08T14:59:39Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Could somebody explain why, with all of the things that should occupy the president’s attention, he’s so adamant about fucking with Bears Ears & Grand Staircase national parks? Just realized I misthreaded this. Should have been in the Clusterfuck thread. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2017, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788/100 "2017-12-08T15:04:51Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Well, someone is taking it seriously. > > [“White House announces physical exam for Trump after slurred speech”](https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/12/07/white-house-announces-physical-exam-for-trump-after-slurred-speech/23300782/) > More backpedaling, dismissals, obfuscation, smoke screens, and non-denial denials to follow. > ETA: > Gee, is his non-fainting going to make headlines for days and days like Hillary’s stumble did? > [@Aspenglow](#): > > FFS, stop making a mountain out of a molehill!! Every time my throat gets dry, I suck my teeth, make drunken puffer fish faces and wobble around like a blanc mange in a high wind. Doesn’t everyone?? Agreed. This thing with the president is serious. Let’s book him for his annual physical a month from now! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-trump-said-shates-its-not-that-funny/803788.md?page=6)