# Yes. When YOU do it, it's still persecution. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 15, 2014, 9:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162 "2014-04-15T09:06:54Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/81 "2014-04-16T20:03:45Z")
> [@Damuri\_Ajashi](#): > > We’ve even seen this hipster variety of “I don’t care what anyone else thinks, because I’m authentic” before and it stopped being novel while Bush was still in office. Are you talking about Rev. James Smith Bush? Because “_I don’t care what anyone else thinks, because I’m authentic_” certainly predates the presidency (or life) of either of the Presidents Bush. (They didn’t call it “hipster” in those days, but people exhibited that personality trait. Heck, it was old and silly that there were people doing that schtick when I was a boy.) ---
**Author:** ![Cat\_Whisperer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cat_whisperer/32/4839_2.png) [@Cat\_Whisperer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cat_Whisperer)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/82 "2014-04-16T23:16:17Z")
> [@Bo\_Pai](#): > > Don’t say that. It’s crap, it’s irrelevant and it’s not the “point”. People don’t know what to do. They don’t know that refusing to stand up has given this crap the spotlight for decades, in this form, and for thousands of years in other forms. Nor do they know that they could stop it in its tracks if everyone who was able would stand up, for one day. A single day of those who are able to stand up, actually standing up, would send it scurrying back under the rug and it’d be over. I thought you made a good point about men needing to stand up to other men for their treatment of women - I agree with that sentiment. ---
**Author:** ![74westy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/74westy/32/3950_2.png) [@74westy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/74westy)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/83 "2014-04-16T23:21:43Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I thought you made a good point about men needing to stand up to other men for their treatment of women - I agree with that sentiment. Just don’t persecute them about it. Or do…I dunno. ---
**Author:** ![Bo\_Pai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@Bo\_Pai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bo_Pai)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/84 "2014-04-16T23:29:55Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > …You have a very strange definition of blowjob, and/or a very weird view of how women react to men being right. LOL! It isn’t women that men are trying to impress. It’s each other. Men are \*\*\*told \*\*\*that women are the problem because it works wonders to get them to fall in line and focus on turning each \*\*\*other \*\*\*on. Who wants to be called “pussy-whipped”? ROFL! What better and faster way to “dick-whip” a man than to accuse him of being “pussy-whipped”? Instant putty in your hands. He’ll do \*\*\*anything \*\*\*to convince you he’s not “pussy-whipped”. All you have to do is threaten a man with the accusation and you own his ass. Poof! Like magic. You’ve been had. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/85 "2014-04-16T23:31:24Z")
> [@74westy](#): > > Just don’t persecute them about it. Or do…I dunno. Can I slam the slammer of slammers? How many levels of slamming are OK before the slamming is bad? Is it only the bottom slamming rung that is a problem? Maybe the odd rungs? ---
**Author:** ![Bo\_Pai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@Bo\_Pai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bo_Pai)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/86 "2014-04-16T23:36:33Z")
> [@tomndebb](#): > > Are you talking about Rev. James Smith Bush? Because “_I don’t care what anyone else thinks, because I’m authentic_” certainly predates the presidency (or life) of either of the Presidents Bush. (They didn’t call it “hipster” in those days, but people exhibited that personality trait. Heck, it was old and silly that there were people doing that schtick when I was a boy.) Ah! The very definition of “sissy”. You should listen to this guy - it’s WAY better to pretend and kiss ass. Otherwise, you might be the one who gets thrown under the bus, right? Plus, nobody’s gonna stand up and save your ass, so you BETTER pretend, eh? It’s always best to sacrifice somebody else. Lest you get a boo-boo on your little feelings. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/87 "2014-04-16T23:41:31Z")
> [@Bo\_Pai](#): > > Ah! The very definition of “sissy”. You should listen to this guy - it’s WAY better to pretend and kiss ass. Otherwise, you might be the one who gets thrown under the bus, right? Plus, nobody’s gonna stand up and save your ass, so you BETTER pretend, eh? > > It’s always best to sacrifice somebody else. Lest you get a boo-boo on your little feelings. You have some fascinating ideas. I wish they were strung together somewhat coherently. ---
**Author:** ![Bo\_Pai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@Bo\_Pai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bo_Pai)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2014, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/88 "2014-04-16T23:59:13Z")
> [@Cat\_Whisperer](#): > > I thought you made a good point about men needing to stand up to other men for their treatment of women - I agree with that sentiment. I understand what you mean and sentiment is fine, but you can’t do it by picking on them and putting the words in their head. There can be no progress because you’re doing the exact same thing you’re accusing them of doing. As this thread is illustrating, very nicely. You can’t turn people like that. They can’t turn each other by kissing each other’s asses, either, because it requires constant maintenance to keep the wolves at bay for ALL participants. It is a full-time blowjob. They have to keep doing it and doing it and doing it because they’re afraid of what might happen if they stop. They’ll throw their own kids under the bus before they’ll stand up. They have to, otherwise they’d be confessing their own guilt. They have to keep pretending that “persecution” has a different definition when they do it because the whole sissy system requires that agreement. You can’t shame somebody into decency. It’s just a big loop that keeps looping and looping and looping. It’s the labor of the paving of that famous road to hell. ---
**Author:** ![Lobohan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lobohan/32/79_2.png) [@Lobohan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lobohan)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/89 "2014-04-17T00:07:24Z")
> [@Bo\_Pai](#): > > It’s just a big loop that keeps looping and looping and looping. Profound. ---
**Author:** ![Truman\_Burbank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecc23a/32.png) [@Truman\_Burbank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Truman_Burbank)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/90 "2014-04-17T00:14:53Z")
Um, not that I think it will make a whit of difference, but you think there might be a problem with forming opinions about the world based upon TV fiction? Do you grok the idea of “fiction”? ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 12:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/91 "2014-04-17T00:15:13Z")
It’s like an MRA got into Raoul Duke’s drug collection and started arguing with a fun-house mirror. ---
**Author:** ![Bo\_Pai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@Bo\_Pai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bo_Pai)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 12:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/92 "2014-04-17T00:44:14Z")
> [@Lobohan](#): > > Profound. I understand the need to use big words to impress people but I was absent when they taught you that. And, of course, this particular thread DOES include several folks who don’t know what “persecution” means, so… But you go right ahead and I’ll pretend I’m impressed. ---
**Author:** ![Bo\_Pai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@Bo\_Pai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bo_Pai)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/93 "2014-04-17T00:47:35Z")
> [@Truman\_Burbank](#): > > Um, not that I think it will make a whit of difference, but you think there might be a problem with forming opinions about the world based upon TV fiction? > Do you grok the idea of “fiction”? You’re actually right, in a wrong sort of way. “Fiction”, “statistics” - same thing, really. ---
**Author:** ![Bo\_Pai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@Bo\_Pai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bo_Pai)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/94 "2014-04-17T00:59:25Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > It’s like an MRA got into Raoul Duke’s drug collection and started arguing with a fun-house mirror. Yikes! We gotta work on that sense of humor. Try again. This time, don’t try to be clever. Just say the first thing that pops into your head. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/95 "2014-04-17T01:16:31Z")
> [@Bo\_Pai](#): > > LOL! It isn’t women that men are trying to impress. It’s each other. > > Men are \*\*\*told \*\*\*that women are the problem because it works wonders to get them to fall in line and focus on turning each \*\*\*other \*\*\*on. > > Who wants to be called “pussy-whipped”? ROFL! What better and faster way to “dick-whip” a man than to accuse him of being “pussy-whipped”? Instant putty in your hands. He’ll do \*\*\*anything \*\*\*to convince you he’s not “pussy-whipped”. All you have to do is threaten a man with the accusation and you own his ass. Poof! Like magic. > > You’ve been had. Now… I may be drunk as hell, but am I wrong to think there’s some bizarre wisdom to this? ---
**Author:** ![Battle\_Pope](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@Battle\_Pope](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Battle_Pope)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/96 "2014-04-17T01:17:14Z")
I get it now, the OP is a Turing test that fails once it gets past a few sentences. ---
**Author:** ![Bo\_Pai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/f19dbf/32.png) [@Bo\_Pai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bo_Pai)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/97 "2014-04-17T02:41:40Z")
> [@Battle\_Pope](#): > > I get it now, the OP is a Turing test that fails once it gets past a few sentences. Sigh - I thought it was a groaner which would be a teeny-tiny bit better than the last one, but the groan doesn’t actually emanate from the “joke”, itself. Come on. You’re thinking too hard. The troll jokes are better than this - and they’re really bad. ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/98 "2014-04-17T02:44:00Z")
> [@Bo\_Pai](#): > > LOL! It isn’t women that men are trying to impress. It’s each other. You mean like women and shoes? ---
**Author:** ![tomndebb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/b9e5f3/32.png) [@tomndebb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tomndebb)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/99 "2014-04-17T02:46:14Z")
> [@Bo\_Pai](#): > > Ah! The very definition of “sissy”. You should listen to this guy - it’s WAY better to pretend and kiss ass. Otherwise, you might be the one who gets thrown under the bus, right? Plus, nobody’s gonna stand up and save your ass, so you BETTER pretend, eh? > > It’s always best to sacrifice somebody else. Lest you get a boo-boo on your little feelings. Do you have a newsletter to which we can subscribe? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2014, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162/100 "2014-04-17T02:46:41Z")
> [@Bo\_Pai](#): > > The troll jokes are better than this - and they’re really bad. Nu, who’s joking? I honestly think you’ve got some chops. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yes-when-you-do-it-its-still-persecution/686162.md?page=6)