# Yet another anti-gay Pastor outed
**URL:** https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629
**Category:** The BBQ Pit
**Created:** [September 22, 2010, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629 "2010-09-22T11:52:36Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Ca3799](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ca3799)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/1 "2010-09-22T11:52:36Z")
Atlanta Pastor Rev. Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church is being sued by 2 young men for coercive sexual contact.
It seems Pastor Long, described by a 2007 article in the Southern Poverty Law Center’s magazine as “one of the most virulently homophobic black leaders in the religiously based anti-gay movement” even had quasi-religious ceremonies with the young men and took them as his ‘spiritual sons’, which gave the young men many perks such as travel, cars, and college tuition. One young man apparently became angry when he found out he was not the Pastor’s only one, and broke into the Pastor’s office and stole some items. Of course, the pastor is married.
Why is it that these virulently anti-gay people are almost always closet gays?
I was gonna drop him a line and tell him it’s OK to be gay, but the church’s website is oddly down right now.
> **[Men allege sexual coercion by prominent Atlanta pastor - CNN.com](http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/09/21/georgia.pastor.abuse/index.html?hpt=C1)**
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> Two Georgia men have filed a lawsuit claiming that prominent Atlanta, Georgia, pastor Eddie Long coerced them into sex.
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### Author:  [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 1:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/2 "2010-09-22T13:09:25Z")
That is excellent news.
Not for the two young men, of course, but I love to see bigots crumbling their own walls of hatred.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/3 "2010-09-22T13:23:05Z")
I think the pastor’s views are abhorant, but I’m not going to automatically take one side in a lawsuit that is in progress, especially based on the skimpy evidence given in one CNN article. I would hope those who defend their political allies in such situations would take the same stance when the tables are turned.
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### Author:  [@The\_Weird\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Weird_One)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/4 "2010-09-22T13:28:27Z")
> [@Ca3799](#):
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> Why is it that these virulently anti-gay people are almost always closet gays?
These are the people who think that gays are “recruiting” and that gay marriage would be a disaster because then everyone would get an SSM and the population would collapse. They find homosexual sex so tempting that, rather than admit that they’re gay, they convince themselves that _everyone else_ feels the same way, and the only thing keeping heterosexuals in check are the constant reminders that it is _evil_.
> [@](#):
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> [From here](http://blog.beliefnet.com/kingdomofpriests/2009/06/how-women-will-be-hurt-by-gay-marriage.html):
> The social history behind this piece is clear: once they’ve experienced sex with other men, Catullus tells us, men are unsatisfied with what their new wives provide them.…
> The losers from all this will be the vast majority of women. With full social sanction given to homoerotic activity, the historical precedent suggests that tomorrow’s women will have a harder time finding and holding on to suitable men.
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### Author:  [@Enderw24](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enderw24)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 1:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/5 "2010-09-22T13:43:15Z")
> [@Ca3799](#):
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> Why is it that these virulently anti-gay people are almost always closet gays?
I actually heard a pretty good explanation here on the boards a few months ago.
The reason why is that lots of straight people don’t think about gay people. We just don’t. In our day to day lives, in our day to day thoughts, we’re not consumed by images of ball-on-ball action. We’re not constantly overwhelmed by fantasies of buff young guys and wondering what their massive shlongs shoved down our small but willing throat would feel like. It’s not even a question of “what goes on in the bedroom is your business.” It’s truly just that many (most?) straight people simply put gay activities out of our mind because gay thoughts never enter them in the first place.
But imagine if you’re gay. And imagine if you hate gays. And imagine if you’ve been taught that gays are evil and going to hell and are sinful and awful awful human beings.
You’re constantly thinking about gay sex and constantly hating yourself for doing so and -here’s the key- you’re so surrounded by like minded people that to talk about your innermost thoughts and desires would mean you’re suddenly a parriah in your group. So you assume that 1) gays are evil and 2) you are straight and therefore not evil and 3) that EVERYONE has thoughts of gay sex because it’s a temptation and a test from God to see just how evil you really are.
So of COURSE the anti-gay pastors are overwhelmingly gay. The rest of us truly don’t give a shit.
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### Author:  [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/6 "2010-09-22T14:04:11Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#):
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> I think the pastor’s views are abhorant, but I’m not going to automatically take one side in a lawsuit that is in progress, especially based on the skimpy evidence given in one CNN article. I would hope those who defend their political allies in such situations would take the same stance when the tables are turned.
Agreed. It’s just at the very initial stages of the lawsuit, without even a defence filed yet. Way to early to make definitive conclusions.
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### Author:  [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 2:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/7 "2010-09-22T14:29:19Z")
> [@Enderw24](#):
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> > [@Ca3799](#):
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> > Why is it that these virulently anti-gay people are almost always closet gays?
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> I actually heard a pretty good explanation here on the boards a few months ago.
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> The reason why is that lots of straight people don’t think about gay people. We just don’t. In our day to day lives, in our day to day thoughts, we’re not consumed by images of ball-on-ball action. We’re not constantly overwhelmed by fantasies of buff young guys and wondering what their massive shlongs shoved down our small but willing throat would feel like. It’s not even a question of “what goes on in the bedroom is your business.” It’s truly just that many (most?) straight people simply put gay activities out of our mind because gay thoughts never enter them in the first place.
>
> But imagine if you’re gay. And imagine if you hate gays. And imagine if you’ve been taught that gays are evil and going to hell and are sinful and awful awful human beings.
> You’re constantly thinking about gay sex and constantly hating yourself for doing so and -here’s the key- you’re so surrounded by like minded people that to talk about your innermost thoughts and desires would mean you’re suddenly a parriah in your group. So you assume that 1) gays are evil and 2) you are straight and therefore not evil and 3) that EVERYONE has thoughts of gay sex because it’s a temptation and a test from God to see just how evil you really are.
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> So of COURSE the anti-gay pastors are overwhelmingly gay. The rest of us truly don’t give a shit.
It’s absurd to claim that “anti-gay pastors are overwhelmingly gay”. You are experiencing what is known as confirmation bias.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/8 "2010-09-22T14:42:43Z")
There is a proven correlation between expressed homophobia and sexual arousal from seeing gay porn. The bigger the homophobe, the bigger the the closet case. Fred Phelps might as well be wearing a dress.
I’ve had more than one gay friend tell me that the guys who talk the most shit about "faggots’ are always the ones who come back on the down low and hit on them when nobody’s looking. Honestly, I don’t think it takes any great insight to to be able to tell that anyone who is obsessed with gay sex is obsessed with it for the obvious reason.
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### Author:  [@Morgenstern](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgenstern)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/9 "2010-09-22T14:49:52Z")
I know, I’m missing the OP’s point in saying this…but…
It’s kind of ironic that this reverend is being accused of being a pedophile by several “young men” and all he gets pitted for is being an anti-gay, gay man?
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### Author:  [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/10 "2010-09-22T14:53:20Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> There is a proven correlation between expressed homophobia and sexual arousal from seeing gay porn. The bigger the homophobe, the bigger the the closet case. Fred Phelps might as well be wearing a dress.
What? How do you go from to make a point about homophobic = closeted gay to describing Phelps as potentially wearing a dress?
What’s the connection?
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/11 "2010-09-22T14:53:22Z")
> [@Morgenstern](#):
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> I know, I’m missing the OP’s point in saying this…but…
> It’s kind of ironic that this reverend is being accused of being a pedophile by several “young men” and all he gets pitted for is being an anti-gay, gay man?
Where does the article say he’s being accuse of pedophilia. It says the “young men” in question were 20 and 21. Where are you getting pedophilia?
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/12 "2010-09-22T14:56:45Z")
> [@descamisado](#):
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> > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> > There is a proven correlation between expressed homophobia and sexual arousal from seeing gay porn. The bigger the homophobe, the bigger the the closet case. Fred Phelps might as well be wearing a dress.
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> > I’ve had more than one gay friend tell me that the guys who talk the most shit about "faggots’ are always the ones who come back on the down low and hit on them when nobody’s looking. Honestly, I don’t think it takes any great insight to to be able to tell that anyone who is obsessed with gay sex is obsessed with it for the obvious reason.
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> What? How do you go from to make a point about homophobic = closeted gay to describing Phelps as potentially wearing a dress?
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> What’s the connection?
I said he _might as well_ be wearing a dress. Anyone as preoccupied with gay sex as he is (and if you’ve seen his website, he’s obsessed with graphic details) is virtually announcing his own repressed sexuality with a megaphone.
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### Author:  [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 2:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/13 "2010-09-22T14:58:32Z")
You misunderstand my question.
Why the stereotypical assumption that “wearing a dress” would be his “megaphone” if he were to come out as gay? Are you assuming all (or most) (or many) gay men wear or want to wear dresses?
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### Author:  [@Bosstone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosstone)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/14 "2010-09-22T15:01:49Z")
Oh, don’t read so much into it. This is how derailments get started. It was a flippant if misaimed comment.
And **John** , I think there’s a lot more truth to **Ender** ’s analysis than you’re willing to credit. Some anti-gay advocates may merely be fervent about the Good Book, but either way it’s a function of the fucked-up values those communities hold.
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### Author:  [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/15 "2010-09-22T15:03:03Z")
> [@descamisado](#):
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> You misunderstand my question.
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> Why the stereotypical assumption that “wearing a dress” would be his signal if he were to go admit and come out as gay? Are you assuming all (or most) gay men wear or want to wear dresses?
Yes that what I’m assuming. :rolleyes:
It was a joke. It was intended as a humorous and ironic signifyer – as a comedically incongruous (and yes, facetiously sterotypical) image for this particular personality. Lighten up.
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### Author:  [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/16 "2010-09-22T15:07:45Z")
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### Author:  [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/17 "2010-09-22T15:10:23Z")
> [@Bosstone](#):
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> Oh, don’t read so much into it. This is how derailments get started. It was a flippant if misaimed comment.
Yes, but this is Dio we’re talking about, you never know.
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### Author:  [@Bambro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bambro)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/18 "2010-09-22T15:12:36Z")
> [@descamisado](#):
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> > [@Bosstone](#):
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> > Oh, don’t read so much into it. This is how derailments get started. It was a flippant if misaimed comment.
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> Yes, but this is Dio we’re talking about.
So you deleted a snarky comment aimed at Dio in order to prevent derailing the thread, and immediately followed it up with a snarky comment about Dio. 😕
Oh yeah, glad the guy got busted as a closeted gay homophobe.
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### Author:  [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/19 "2010-09-22T15:15:13Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> There is a proven correlation between expressed homophobia and sexual arousal from seeing gay porn. The bigger the homophobe, the bigger the the closet case. Fred Phelps might as well be wearing a dress.
That would be true only if the coefficient of correlation were +1.0, which it almost certainly is not.
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### Author:  [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)
#### Post date: [September 22, 2010, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/20 "2010-09-22T15:19:42Z")
> [@Bambro](#):
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> Oh yeah, glad the guy got busted as a closeted gay homophobe.
I won’t be surprised at all if it turns out to be true, but it’s a bit early to declare him “busted.” Who knows what sort of evidence they have.
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