# Yet another anti-gay Pastor outed

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629>\
**Category:** The BBQ Pit\
**Created:** [September 22, 2010, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629 "2010-09-22T11:52:36Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 14\
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**Author:** ![descamisado](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e480ec/32.png) [@descamisado](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/descamisado)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/61 "2010-09-24T21:20:04Z")

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[Another male comes forth with an accusation](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39346313/ns/us_news).

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**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/62 "2010-09-24T21:58:26Z")

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> [@outlierrn](#):
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> ‘LongFellows Youth Academy,’ you’ve got to be shitting me.

It’s twoo!

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**Author:** ![Cartooniverse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cartooniverse/32/3084_2.png) [@Cartooniverse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cartooniverse)\
**Post date:** [September 24, 2010, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/63 "2010-09-24T22:28:22Z")

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> [@mhendo](#):
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> The biggest repercussions will be to his career as a wealthy and influential minister.

Unfortunately, this is all that will matter in the end.

And “age of consent” does not equal " consent ".

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**Author:** ![BayouHazard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/d78d45/32.png) [@BayouHazard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BayouHazard)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/64 "2010-09-25T01:44:05Z")

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I…had never considered the idea that closet cases think everyone is secretly fighting gay urges!

That’s ridiculous!

And…well if all the men are fighting their gayness, then maybe all the women are fighting their lesbian desires, too!

I can report that’s just not true or I would have gotten lucky more often.(Admittedly, anecdotal, but still…)

What on earth do they put in the water in those megachurches???

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**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/65 "2010-09-25T01:49:58Z")

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> [@BayouHazard](#):
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> I…had never considered the idea that closet cases think everyone is secretly fighting gay urges!
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> That’s ridiculous!
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> And…well if all the men are fighting their gayness, then maybe all the women are fighting their lesbian desires, too!
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> I can report that’s just not true or I would have gotten lucky more often.(Admittedly, anecdotal, but still…)
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> What on earth do they put in the water in those megachurches???

Probably fluoride. 😃

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**Author:** ![Sitnam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Sitnam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sitnam)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/66 "2010-09-25T04:41:59Z")

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Another member of gods faithful Christian soldiers has fallen to sin so that he once again seek the righteous path and perhaps rise again in gods glory.  
I don’t believe Christians see hypocrisy here. For them homosexuality is a sin, people are imperfect and commit sin, when this pastor spoke out against sin he was doing gods work, although he’s left gods grace he may retain it with prayer and good works which will validate the beliefs that all his brethren hold dear.

They _love_ this shit.

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**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/67 "2010-09-25T04:47:41Z")

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> [@PlainJain](#):
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> > [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> > The guys who say they hate gays get boners from seeing gay porn. I’m not sure I understand your distinction here.
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> How were the test sample chosen?

Randomly. A bunch of guys volunteered for the study without knowing what it would entail (typical college student guinea pigs for credit).They all filled out questionaires with a variety of questions about sex and sexuality. Then they were hooked up to the peter meter and shown different kind sof porn. The dudes who expressed the most homophobic views on the questionaires got significantly more aroused by the gay porn than the (self-identified straight) guys who did not express homophobic views.

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**Author:** ![Princhester](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3e96dc/32.png) [@Princhester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Princhester)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 5:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/68 "2010-09-25T05:24:51Z")

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> [@Rand\_Rover](#):
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> One way to eliminate this confounding variable would be to find out what else the homophobe thinks is naughty and see what his dick does when he watches that.

While the quality of scientific studies varies (obviously) I think that far more often than not controls are used. I would tend to think that there probably were controls unless you were able to find the study and show that actually there weren’t.

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**Author:** ![JRDelirious](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jrdelirious/32/9531_2.png) [@JRDelirious](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JRDelirious)\
**Post date:** [September 25, 2010, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/69 "2010-09-25T15:00:29Z")

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> [@BayouHazard](#):
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> I…had never considered the idea that closet cases think everyone is secretly fighting gay urges!

Well, the angle is that this segment starts from the notion that what everyone is, is _exposed to the temptation_ of Illicit Sex[sup]TM[/sup]; and then they further assume that a huge number of people must in turn be getting tempted by \*Perverted \*Illicit Sex[sup]TM[/sup], of which Gay is only one particular flavor. (To make a tortured analogy: they may believe everyone is subject to the temptation of unearned, illicit gain, but while many resist it easily, and some only go as far as fudging a $200 tax deduction or playing the nickel slots, others go on to armed bank robbery or billion-dollar corporate ripoffs)

(That is also why when gay rights are brought up these believers will argue that then you’ll open the door to recognizing rights to people into pedophilia, incest, bestiality, etc. ; to them it’s ALL evil perversion, just different brands)

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**Author:** ![Norse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/a9adbd/32.png) [@Norse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Norse)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/70 "2010-10-14T13:36:08Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> There is a proven correlation between expressed homophobia and sexual arousal from seeing gay porn

How strong was the correlation coefficient in the study? 1.00? .8? .5?

> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> The bigger the homophobe, the bigger the the closet case.

Although I too believe that the bigger the homophobe, the bigger the _probability_ that he’s a closet case, the study you quote probably doesn’t justify the 1:1 correlation you indicate. Your conclusion is stronger than the data allow for 8)

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**Author:** ![Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/f07891/32.png) [@Little\_Plastic\_Ninja](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Plastic_Ninja)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/71 "2010-10-14T18:25:51Z")

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> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#):
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> the peter meter

Gonna be giggling about this phrase all day now. 😃

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [October 14, 2010, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/72 "2010-10-14T19:21:22Z")

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My opinion is that there are some gay people who grow up in an environment that teaches them that homosexuality is wrong. Many of them end up projecting their feelings on to other people. They don’t think _“I’m attracted to men so I must be gay.”_ They think _“The problem is all these homosexual men are all trying to tempt me into having sex with them. If I could just stop them from being homosexual then there would be no problem and I’d stop having those feelings.”_

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**Author:** ![gaffa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e68b1a/32.png) [@gaffa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gaffa)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/73 "2010-10-15T23:40:45Z")

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> [@BigT](#):
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> > [@matt\_mcl](#):
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> > Furthermore, in their eyes, screwing fellows and then inveighing against homosexuality isn’t hypocrisy: it’s succumbing to temptation – as all humans do because we’re all sinners – and then making up for that failing by penance and righteousness. That’s how you’re _supposed_ to behave when you sin.
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> > To them, whether consciously or unconsciously, “gays” aren’t people who want to have homosexual sex; ‘gays’ are the ones who’ve ‘fallen’ and decided _there’s nothing wrong_ with homosexual sex.
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> And that’s precisely why homosexuality is viewed (by them) as a choice. Because they are actively choosing not to be gay.

I’d honestly never thought of that reason for homophobia before. Thank you.

> [@Little\_Nemo](#):
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> My opinion is that there are some gay people who grow up in an environment that teaches them that homosexuality is wrong. Many of them end up projecting their feelings on to other people. They don’t think _“I’m attracted to men so I must be gay.”_ They think _“The problem is all these homosexual men are all trying to tempt me into having sex with them. If I could just stop them from being homosexual then there would be no problem and I’d stop having those feelings.”_

[Really!](http://www.theonion.com/articles/why-do-all-these-homosexuals-keep-sucking-my-cock,11150/)

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**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\
**Post date:** [October 15, 2010, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-anti-gay-pastor-outed/554629/74 "2010-10-15T23:56:01Z")

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A theocon’s holy and pious  
But political judgment is biased  
By his mind filled with floods  
Of the cries of hung studs:  
“Come into the closet and try us!”

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