# Yet another futile but pro forma discussion starring Der Trihs. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 3, 2006, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145 "2006-08-03T04:04:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Anaamika](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/5f9b8f/32.png) [@Anaamika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Anaamika)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/21 "2006-08-03T13:28:53Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] I do have to say one thing though…when he posts in other forums, especially about books or games or what have you, he is a reasonbly interesting poster. He posted some interesting stuff in my Honor Harrington thread, and I believe in my Rome Total War thread as well…and I’ve seen him post some interesting insights in other such threads before. Its only politics or religion that seems to drive him around the bend. Anyway, just thought I’d share. 🙂 -XT [/QUOTE] You beat me to it. I was going to say the same thing…I like him in CS, he’s entertaining and has some good points. He’s not all bad. ---
**Author:** ![davenportavenger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/5f8ce5/32.png) [@davenportavenger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/davenportavenger)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/22 "2006-08-03T13:39:09Z")
[QUOTE=Linty Fresh] Meh, I enjoy his stuff while I can. One of these days, **Der Trihs** is going to be old enough to drive, and his face is going to clear up, and then he might start dating, who knows? Once he discovers girls and–dare we dream–french kissing, he’s going to lighten up about all this religion and war guff. He’ll lay off the psycho wingnut posts, and then I will be robbed of one of the primary reasons I feel good about myself in the morning. So enjoy him while he’s riding the gnarly wave of puberty. It won’t last forever. [/QUOTE] Actually, I think he’s in his late thirties, if I’m remembering correctly. ---
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/23 "2006-08-03T14:07:03Z")
[QUOTE=davenportavenger] Actually, I think he’s in his late thirties, if I’m remembering correctly. [/QUOTE] Anybody else envisioning the Comic Book Guy from the Simpsons now? ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/24 "2006-08-03T14:52:26Z")
[QUOTE=Airman Doors, USAF] Why I let myself get trolled is beyond me… [/QUOTE] I understand. He’s gotten under my skin a few times. His posts in GD still rile me up sometimes, but I have to remember that it’s my fault if I let him get to me. I can’t let his willful ignorance upset me. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 3:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/25 "2006-08-03T15:05:08Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] If you think it’s so damned stupid, you are rather more likely to convince me if you bother to explain _why_. [/QUOTE] It looks to me like you’re trying to make the comparison: A few Hezbollah killing a few Israelis (all soldiers) is to Israel killing lots of Lebanese (some of them civilians) as A few Catholic priests molesting some altar boys is to The U.S. using FAE on the Vatican. I do not believe this is a valid comparison. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/26 "2006-08-03T16:16:12Z")
He got picked on in High School, and so now he thinks America = Evil. Oh, and Religion = Evil. Many times I’ve considered setting up a Pit thread that I can reference instead of replying to his idiotic posts in GD. Somehow, though, it just didn’t seem worth the effort. ---
**Author:** ![Lord\_Ashtar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ea924/32.png) [@Lord\_Ashtar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lord_Ashtar)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/27 "2006-08-03T16:20:40Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] He got picked on in High School, and so now he thinks America = Evil. [/QUOTE] Is it America that he thinks is evil, or just Republicans? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/28 "2006-08-03T16:28:04Z")
[QUOTE=Lord Ashtar] Is it America that he thinks is evil, or just Republicans? [/QUOTE] Both. Maybe his philosophy is best summed up as Humans = Evil. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/29 "2006-08-03T16:39:20Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] Many times I’ve considered setting up a Pit thread that I can reference instead of replying to his idiotic posts in GD. Somehow, though, it just didn’t seem worth the effort. [/QUOTE] Not that I start many pit threads, but I’ve been tempted myself…especially after I’ve lost it a few times in GD and been spanked by the Mods for what obviously (well, to me) were highly provocative statements. In the end though I didn’t think it worth the effort…especially when I realized that he really believes that tripe. He’s NOT trolling but has his wierd convictions, ridiculously over the top as they are. [QUOTE=Lord Ashtar] Is it America that he thinks is evil, or just Republicans? [/QUOTE] Oh, definitely both. Though he thinks Bush is the top of the heap, evil wise (I’ve actually seen him compare Bush to Hitler, with Bush coming out on top by a nose). You liberals, you anti-war types, you anti-Bush Democrats? Us centrists who didn’t vote for Bush? We all get lumped together into one vast pile of evil because, you know, we haven’t launched an armed revolt yet to oust the evil regime and hang them upside down from flag poles jeering at them before we shoot them like dogs. Since we haven’t done this we are party to the evil…blah blah blah. Some may think I’m exaggerating here (and I AM…but only to a certain degree), but a careful reading of some of Der’s more colorful posts will reveal that he’s definitely a wild and crazy kind of guy (emphasis on ‘crazy’). Funniest thing I remember though was 'luci defending him in some thread or other. The guy was SO over the top it was actually funny…and there was elucidator trying heroically to help him out or to make excusses for what he was saying. Eventually 'luci gave it up as a lost cause I think. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Mince](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@Mince](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mince)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/30 "2006-08-04T16:16:44Z")
> [@](#): > > Because the damgae caused by Hezbollah is so small in proportion to the response, that’s why. Should the US have used FAE on the Vatican in retaliation for the pedophila scandals ? And while we are at it, can we drop this “disproportionate use of force” nonsense? I guess instead of military proportions, Israel should have demanded Hezbollah give them 10 soldiers. Israel then could kill eight of the soldiers and take the other two into custody. You can’t get any more 1:1 than that. ---
**Author:** ![August\_West](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/august_west/32/18069_2.png) [@August\_West](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/August_West)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/31 "2006-08-04T16:45:01Z")
Hey did you guys know that \*\*Der Trihs \*\* is Red Shirt backwards? Well actually it is shirT reD backwards, but I think he meant reD shirT. I got nothin’. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/32 "2006-08-04T16:45:55Z")
[QUOTE=xtisme] …and there was elucidator trying heroically to help him out or to make excusses for what he was saying. Eventually 'luci gave it up as a lost cause I think. [/QUOTE] Perhaps you will advise just why you thought it necessary to shoehorn me into this conversation? ---
**Author:** ![saoirse](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/5daacb/32.png) [@saoirse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/saoirse)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/33 "2006-08-04T18:50:45Z")
**Doors** , I don’t know what you’re complaining about. It’s not like **Der Trohl** ever undermines _your_ position by agreeing with you. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/34 "2006-08-04T18:58:12Z")
Eh, I 'm not sure there’s much point to this particular Pitting. It’s not as if _Der Trihs_ is hiding his political viewpoint under a bushel, unless he’s actually some sort of right-wing plant intended make a convenient case for liberals being ranting nutbars. I haven’t noticed a plethora of “You rock!” posts agreeing with any of his comments, so I suspect most folks know what sort of entertainment they’re getting and don’t need to be warned about him. Now, Pitting him for being completely impervious to reason, or for being a one-trick pony, that I could maybe get behind. ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/35 "2006-08-04T22:18:45Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Perhaps you will advise just why you thought it necessary to shoehorn me into this conversation? [/QUOTE] I was extremely tired…and frankly it still strikes me as funny. Sort of the image of Toohey defending Elmer Fud. Sorry if I offended you 'luci…wasn’t intentional. -XT ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/36 "2006-08-04T22:42:19Z")
Well, no harm done, I suppose. At least until I find out who this “Toohey” is. ---
**Author:** ![Lemur866](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lemur866/32/434_2.png) [@Lemur866](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lemur866)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2006, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/37 "2006-08-04T22:51:37Z")
Please, nobody tell him. It’ll be funnier that way. ---
**Author:** ![username\_taken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/c0e974/32.png) [@username\_taken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/username_taken)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2006, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/38 "2006-08-05T00:01:10Z")
Airman Doors- I have read and usually agree with your posts. However, I think there is a difference here that you aren’t seeing. Israel is a country with elected officials by the citizens. Beirut is also a country and has citizens. BUT- those citizens did NOT elect the Hezbollah fighters that use their country as they wish. Sure, some (many?) agree with the ideals, but those that don’t have no pull, nor control. These Hezbollah members are launching uncontrolled rockets at Israel (kinda point and shoot I think is a good analogy, and who cares where the rockets land- not very humane). But, Isreal is attacking Hezbollah in Beirut, and trying TRYING to protect its citizens. Isreal is unfortunately going to kill Beirut citizens who have no control over what is happening in their country. Is this wrong? Now that I think more and more, I believe it is. Isreal is surrounded by enemy states. God, I wish our race would kick aside religion fundamentalism and realize we’re all just lives on a spinning globe, and nothing we do will change that. I wish this world could be rid of such hate as seems to be all around it. We’re all just people that were born, have to live, maybe raise a family, then die. Whatever the afterlife brings should be nothing to us- we’re here now, have to live, and so let’s live. God, life is so depressing. Funny that religion should bring meaning and purpose to life, yet it seems to bring death to so many. ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2006, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/39 "2006-08-05T00:11:01Z")
In general the OP points out the error commonly made on the left and not just with **Der Trihs** , namely seeing little/no difference between a military action and a criminal action. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2006, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145/40 "2006-08-05T00:34:35Z")
Piffle. Its certainly true that as a general bias, we prefer our military might be reserved for situations where lethal force is urgently required. We do not approve of adventures. We most especially do not approve of military force to advance the sophomoric geo-political agenda of dime store Bismarcks. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-futile-but-pro-forma-discussion-starring-der-trihs/367145.md?page=3)