# Yet another ghod damned school shooting **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 14, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435 "2019-11-14T18:38:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![24KARAT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/a3d4f5/32.png) [@24KARAT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/24KARAT)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/81 "2019-11-15T20:20:59Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I see. So if I may summarize, gun violence is caused by abortions and prescription drugs. It’s not caused by guns, which everyone must have in order to overthrow governments they don’t like and keep out invading foreign governments. And psychiatrists should be shot. > > It’s always good to have some random illiterate join just in time to set us straight on these matters. . . \*\*Wolfpup \*\*-Yea, something like that. But don’t distort it too much. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/82 "2019-11-15T20:21:51Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > This is the kind of thing I think leads to school violence. The adults are not listening to the kids. They’re chalking it up to “teen angst”. They’re not listening. I’m going to listen to my son but what about the other kids? What if this boy decides to act on the violent threats he’s made? What if one of the victims can’t take the pain anymore? There was at least one study that concluded there was a solid link between bullying and violent tendencies. (Insert the “duh” here.) > **[Gifted and Tormented](https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/15/AR2006051501103.html)** > > More than two-thirds of academically talented eighth-graders say they have been bullied at school and nearly one-third harbored violent thoughts as a result, according to a study believed to be the first to examine the prevalence and impact of... Notably the Columbine terrorists were previously bullied and the practice was “rampant” at the school. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/83 "2019-11-15T20:25:20Z")
> [@24KARAT](#): > > My 2 cents? > Not that it’ll change anybody or any laws. > . > Me? I’d go with the Get Real. **1)** A gun has never ever jumped up & shot anyone. It’s a tool -period. Constitutional law has designed it for to keep our goverrnment in-check. And to keep foreign invading governments out. Look @ Switzerland’s history; every man & household is legally required to have & to know how to respect / use a gun. **2)** Parents are legally responsible for their children. Until a “child” is of an age of accountability, it’s on the parents. {It’s the way it was yet is no longer} **3)** Morals within society today make death of no big deal. Movies, video games, the removal of life from an infant / abortion, etc. **4)** Meds / Narcotics that twist & distort the brain / biochemistry into a passive yet deceptive state. Maybe even never to return & develop into “normal”. Put a developing brain, a child on such & yea, big oooops! Why it’s called “practicing” medicine? Because nobody really knows what they are doing? Check out the now historical facts of such shootings & the meds, there there. Perhaps whom ever writes out the perscriptions (usually shrinks) can be held more accountable? Lawsuit? Loss of “license” to “practice”. Firing squad? > . > People seem to only talk of the dead. & yes, to die before living life is sad. WAY sad. Especially when taken by force. > As for the wounded, my heart goes out. A bullet ripping through any tissue is never 100% repairable. Like a wrecked car -never the same. If I’m ever drunk and post something like this, can someone please PM me and let me know? ---
**Author:** ![24KARAT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/a3d4f5/32.png) [@24KARAT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/24KARAT)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/84 "2019-11-15T20:43:06Z")
> [@Rushgeekgirl](#): > > I want to write out what my family is dealing with right now at my son’s school. I know it’s long and probably boring but I have to write it all out. > > My son is autistic. He’s a bit socially delayed. When he was six he was brutally raped. He went through trauma therapy. They pronounced him cured about a year later and despite some anxiety everything was okay. > > In seventh grade another student sexually assaulted him in the bathroom at school, only he wasn’t clued in on sex enough to know that it was a sexual assault. The other student grabbed him between the legs and wouldn’t stop or let him go. My son didn’t understand what was happening. He just thought the boy was being mean. He didn’t tell anyone because my son is very shy and passive and thought he might get in trouble for tattling. That’s how it works ya know? You tell on someone and you get called a tattle tale. > > So my son never told me about this and I guess maybe didn’t put much thought in to it because the boy left the school a few weeks after it happened. It was just another bad memory for my son. > > Only about a month ago this kid shows up at my son’s new school. And my son now understands what happened to him and it all came back to him in a flood of terror. He had a panic attack that day. He told his teacher exactly what happened. I wasn’t even called. My son came home that day and broke down again, telling me what happened. My first instinct was to contact the teacher and ask what could be done. This is an elective class, choir. It’s my son’s most favorite class. There is only one choir class. She said “if I didn’t see it happen nothing can be done about it”. > > So I wrote to the guidance counselor and asked my son to also go to the guidance counselor. Again I was told “if we didn’t see it happen nothing can be done”. Meanwhile the kid is laughing and telling other students about how he’s sexually assaulted several of the students. My son found out another girl in class was also a victim. He then found out another friend not in the class was also sexually assaulted by him. I finally reached a point where I insisted something MUST be done. And their solution was to offer to let my son finish the school year in art class instead. > > To me this is unacceptable. I am not forcing my kid to leave a class he loves when he’s the victim here. They agree to make the other student sign a “no contact contract” where he is not allowed to talk to my son. But he still looks at him, LEERS at him. One day my son couldn’t take it and told his friend in the class he was going to have to leave. She BEGGED him to stay because she said “you’re my only buffer!” She told her parents. Their solution was “ignore him and he’ll stop”. He’ll stop grabbing her between the legs and joking about it with the other boys. That’s their solution. “Boys will be boys” after all. > > About a week ago my son went to a birthday party with an old friend he went to school with back when all this happened. He hasn’t had much contact so he didn’t know this, but this friend’s parents had to take a restraining order against this student after he not only sexually assaulted her, but sent her threatening messages saying he was going to kill her and himself. And that’s why he came to my son’s new school, because he was kicked out of the old one. > > But my son’s counselor, teacher, and principal all say there’s nothing they can do about him. I’m thinking they just don’t give a shit. They MUST not give a shit. So Monday I have an appointment with the district administration, not sure who I’ll be speaking with, but something is going to HAPPEN. I don’t know if I’ll end up taking my son out of school. It’s the only school in the district so I’ll have to homeschool. I can’t move. I won’t stop until something is done to keep my son safe though. And I mean that’s my top concern but what about those other kids who are left behind at the school still getting assaulted and harassed while the adults refuse to listen to their complaints? > > This is the kind of thing I think leads to school violence. The adults are not listening to the kids. They’re chalking it up to “teen angst”. They’re not listening. I’m going to listen to my son but what about the other kids? What if this boy decides to act on the violent threats he’s made? What if one of the victims can’t take the pain anymore? . . \*\*Rushgeekgirl \*\*-I read it. Every word. The American society today is sick. And said sickness has been propagating its’ self for decades now. As a nation, we’re generationally programed & acceptably walking & talking perverts. So what’s the answer? The fall of the nation {history proves such} or an act of God. Personally? -I do not know where your beliefs are nor what is available to you. So instead of revealing my days-gone-by whereby I’ve gone & been face-to-face within similar situations so to rectify em, I’d find a great lawyer & give him a large **piece of the action** be it he takes down all those involved against you & your son. No up-front fee. Just a piece of the action. Set precedent & make your attorney famous. And best do it before the perverts take Federal office again. :mad: ---
**Author:** ![24KARAT](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/2/a3d4f5/32.png) [@24KARAT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/24KARAT)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/85 "2019-11-15T20:51:12Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > If I’m ever drunk and post something like this, can someone please PM me and let me know? . . \*\*manson1972 \*\*-Charlie, didn’t mean to confuse you. Yet glad to stir you up. You gotta read it slow. Common Sense tells to look into it before exposing one’s self, drunk or not. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/86 "2019-11-15T20:52:11Z")
> [@24KARAT](#): > > .And best do it before the perverts take Federal office again. You haven’t been paying attention. The sexual-assault-encouraging perverts are the ones IN federal office right now. From the groping/raping pussy-grabbing Chief Executive to the [myriad Republican sexual harrassment scandals and cover-ups in his swamp of staff picks](https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/7/11/17546970/trump-pruitt-shine), this is far and away the most shamelessly corrupt and exploitative Administration the US has had since at least the start of the 20th century. If **Rushgeekgirl** is relying on a more decent and moral attitude towards sexual assault on the part of the federal government to help her resolve her son’s school situation (a strategy I personally wouldn’t recommend), then she’d better pray for a Democratic victory ASAP. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/87 "2019-11-15T20:52:39Z")
Rushgeekgirl, is this serial sexual assailant a talented athlete, or related to one or is from a prominent and/or wealthy family? I can’t think of any other reason why he would keep getting away with this. If someone ever DOES take a gun to school, or somewhere else, and shoot him, everyone will say the kid totally had it coming. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/88 "2019-11-15T20:57:56Z")
> [@24KARAT](#): > > . > . > \*\*manson1972 \*\*-Charlie, didn’t mean to confuse you. Yet glad to stir you up. You gotta read it slow. Common Sense tells to look into it before exposing one’s self, drunk or not. Wrong Manson. Avatar should have given it away. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/89 "2019-11-15T20:59:26Z")
> [@24KARAT](#): > > . > . > \*\*Rushgeekgirl \*\*-I read it. Every word. The American society today is sick. And said sickness has been propagating its’ self for decades now. As a nation, we’re generationally programed & acceptably walking & talking perverts. So what’s the answer? The fall of the nation {history proves such} or an act of God. > Personally? -I do not know where your beliefs are nor what is available to you. So instead of revealing my days-gone-by whereby I’ve gone & been face-to-face within similar situations so to rectify em, I’d find a great lawyer & give him a large **piece of the action** be it he takes down all those involved against you & your son. No up-front fee. Just a piece of the action. Set precedent & make your attorney famous. And best do it before the perverts take Federal office again. > :mad: Illiterate, ignorant and angry may be a way of life for you, but not the ideal position from which to post. Consider removing your head from your ass the next time you try to “help”. Idiot. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/90 "2019-11-15T21:03:31Z")
> [@nearwildheaven](#): > > Rushgeekgirl, is this serial sexual assailant a talented athlete, or related to one or is from a prominent and/or wealthy family? I can’t think of any other reason why he would keep getting away with this. > > If someone ever DOES take a gun to school, or somewhere else, and shoot him, everyone will say the kid totally had it coming. No, they won’t, and that is a dangerously stupid idea to push. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/91 "2019-11-15T21:06:06Z")
> [@24KARAT](#): > > Common Sense tells to look into it before exposing one’s self, drunk or not. It sounds like you learned this lesson the hard way. Just remember, stay 500 feet from schools and you have to let the police know if you’ll be travelling for more than 24 hours. ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/92 "2019-11-15T23:16:13Z")
> [@Czarcasm](#): > > No, they won’t, and that is a dangerously stupid idea to push. Don’t be so sure. I do hope it doesn’t come to that, because vigilante justice isn’t the right thing to do either. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/93 "2019-11-16T00:37:00Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Illiterate, ignorant and angry may be a way of life for you, but not the ideal position from which to post. Consider removing your head from your ass the next time you try to “help”. Idiot. I just read 24KARAT’s posts in the voice of Waylon Jennings, as the narrator of the Dukes of Hazzard. Much more readable that way. (They don’t get better, just more readable.) ---
**Author:** ![nearwildheaven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/90db22/32.png) [@nearwildheaven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nearwildheaven)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/94 "2019-11-16T01:11:17Z")
The shooter died this afternoon. > **[Southern California high school shooter dies](https://www.fox61.com/article/news/southern-california-high-school-shooter-dies/520-c9c7cda7-31c6-48d1-ac16-6f0960caddf6)** > > SANTA CLARITA — A 16-year-old boy who shot five fellow students — killing two — before turning the gun on himself at a Southern California high school has... The London Daily Mail, which is little better than the National Enquirer, said that he was dealing with the recent death of his father, from alcoholism. It wouldn’t surprise me if that was true. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 3:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/95 "2019-11-16T03:01:47Z")
Recent? Thought the dad died two years ago. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/96 "2019-11-16T03:04:28Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I just read 24KARAT’s posts in the voice of Waylon Jennings, as the narrator of the Dukes of Hazzard. Much more readable that way. > > (They don’t get better, just more readable.) I’m reading it and hearing Kukla’s voice. ---
**Author:** ![RioRico](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f04885/32.png) [@RioRico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RioRico)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 4:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435/97 "2019-11-16T04:51:30Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > What the fuck are you even talking about? You sound like a Google Translate result gone wrong. It’s a parallel, a comparison. I said US society is a sick beast. Someone replied that not everyone in the US is so awful. I pointed out that, like my human persona is more than the sum of my cells, so the national persona is more than the sum of its residents. Think of mob dynamics. I’ll say again: Our nation’s actions show an addiction to violence and hatred of children, women, queers, non-whites, non-elites, non-believers, and facts. Not necessarily in that order. Maybe Churchill’s observation holds: “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they’ve tried everything else.” What hasn’t been tried yet? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-ghod-damned-school-shooting/843435.md?page=4)