# Yet another "hate crime" revealed to be a hoax by a leftist **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 5, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957 "2017-05-05T23:01:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/1 "2017-05-05T23:01:58Z")
[https://www.wthr.com/article/police-brown-county-church-organist-admitted-to-november-vandalism](https://www.wthr.com/article/police-brown-county-church-organist-admitted-to-november-vandalism) A Brown County church vandalized with Donald Trump graffiti shortly after the 2016 election wasn’t targeted by pro-Trump political activists, but a member of their own congregation, according to police. … According to court records, when confronted with the evidence, the 26-year-old gay man confessed. Investigators say Stang admitted to painting the “Heil Trump” and “Fag Church” graffiti himself because he wanted to “mobilize a movement after being disappointed in and fearful of the outcome of the national election.” He insisted his actions were not motivated by anti-Christian or anti-gay sentiments. ---
**Author:** ![Tzigone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/839c29/32.png) [@Tzigone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tzigone)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/2 "2017-05-05T23:12:04Z")
Yes, because rightists never fake hate crime …like Bs carved into their faces. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/3 "2017-05-05T23:12:52Z")
[Ashley Todd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashley_Todd_mugging_hoax) > [@](#): > > Todd had worked as a field representative for the College Republican National Committee since August 2008 and had come to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania in mid-October to recruit college students. On October 22, 2008, Todd claimed that she was robbed at knifepoint by a “six-foot-four African American of medium build, dressed in dark clothes wearing shiny shoes” at a Citizens Bank ATM in the Bloomfield neighborhood of Pittsburgh. She also alleged that after the robber saw a McCain bumper sticker on Todd’s car, he assaulted her, cut a reversed letter B into her cheek, and told her “you are going to be a Barack supporter.” > > On October 24, Todd confessed to inventing the story after police reviewed surveillance camera photos and administered a polygraph test. She now said that she had seen the backwards ‘B’ on her face while driving, and though she did not remember how she got it, assumed that she herself had done it because she had had previous episodes of memory loss. According to police, Todd provided no explanation of why she provided them the story about the mugging instead. ---
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/4 "2017-05-05T23:21:24Z")
Wasn’t there another backwards B cut into a forehead of a woman? Police became suspicious because they figured she did it herself at a mirror. Or is this the same case? Can you imagine being so dim that you wouldn’t take into consideration the mirror image? Sent from my XT1635-02 using Tapatalk ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/5 "2017-05-05T23:22:59Z")
Poor, sad, desperate little **Okrahoma**. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/6 "2017-05-06T00:13:43Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > [https://www.wthr.com/article/police-brown-county-church-organist-admitted-to-november-vandalism](https://www.wthr.com/article/police-brown-county-church-organist-admitted-to-november-vandalism) > > A Brown County church vandalized with Donald Trump graffiti shortly after the 2016 election wasn’t targeted by pro-Trump political activists, but a member of their own congregation, according to police. > … > According to court records, when confronted with the evidence, the 26-year-old gay man confessed. > > Investigators say Stang admitted to painting the “Heil Trump” and “Fag Church” graffiti himself because he wanted to “mobilize a movement after being disappointed in and fearful of the outcome of the national election.” He insisted his actions were not motivated by anti-Christian or anti-gay sentiments. So, some context, if you please. Do you believe (based on the “yet another” in the title) that this is some sort of widespread practice? Do you have at hand links to reliable reporting of numerous other such incidents to back up your “yet another” assertion? I’m sure you’ll feel much better to know that I don’t have any particular impulse to fake vandalism by right-wingers, that I’d be very surprised if anyone else here did, and that any antipathy I may have for the current administration has nothing to do with whether I thought its supporters were vandalizing churches. Cheers. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/7 "2017-05-06T01:07:06Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > So, some context, if you please. Do you believe (based on the “yet another” in the title) that this is some sort of widespread practice? Do you have at hand links to reliable reporting of numerous other such incidents to back up your “yet another” assertion? Yes, many. Here are just a few: [Member Charged in Arson of Black Church With ‘Vote Trump’ Scrawled on Side](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/mississippi-church-fire.html?_r=0) [Meanwhile, a Louisiana student acknowledged she fabricated a reported attack by two men, one she said wore a “Trump” hat.](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/258032975ef84e2f808726808072684f/police-student-says-man-wearing-trump-hat-attacked-her) [Cops: U-M student lied about man threatening to burn hijab](http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/12/21/cops-u-m-student-lied-man-threatening-burn-hjiab/95704464/) [Muslim Student Who Said She Was Harassed by Trump Supporters Charged With Filing False Report: Sources](http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Missing-Muslim-Student-Baruch-College-Arrested-False-Alert-Trump-Subway-406606865.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand) [Another Trump-Inspired ‘Hate Crime’ Turns Out To Be A Hoax](http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/23/another-trump-inspired-hate-crime-turns-out-to-be-a-hoax/) [San Francisco homeowner’s Nazi flag protest of Trump backfires](http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-homeowner-s-Nazi-flag-protest-of-10605083.php) ---
**Author:** ![RealityChuck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/realitychuck/32/195_2.png) [@RealityChuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RealityChuck)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/8 "2017-05-06T01:07:31Z")
There certainly are some people who fake hate crimes (on both the right or left). So? Or are you implying that all are fake because one is? Because that’s just plain poor logic. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/9 "2017-05-06T01:30:54Z")
> [@RealityChuck](#): > > There certainly are some people who fake hate crimes (on both the right or left). > > So? > > Or are you implying that all are fake because one is? Because that’s just plain poor logic. So we shouldn’t point and laugh when one is exposed? Don’t forget the [police officer who burned his own truck trying to frame 2nd amendment supporters.](http://www.copblock.org/157693/arkansas-police-chief-arrested-man-for-open-carry-burned-own-truck-stole-from-department/) ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/10 "2017-05-06T04:36:02Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > So we shouldn’t point and laugh when one is exposed? > > Don’t forget the [police officer who burned his own truck trying to frame 2nd amendment supporters.](http://www.copblock.org/157693/arkansas-police-chief-arrested-man-for-open-carry-burned-own-truck-stole-from-department/) Well, I for one sleep better at night knowing men and women like this are guarding our streets! :smack: ---
**Author:** ![IvoryTowerDenizen](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ivorytowerdenizen/32/17937_2.png) [@IvoryTowerDenizen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/IvoryTowerDenizen)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/11 "2017-05-06T13:23:15Z")
**Chefguy** take it to the pit if you want to be insulting, but don’t do it here. > [@Chefguy](#): > > Poor, sad, desperate little **Okrahoma**. ---
**Author:** ![igor\_frankensteen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/839c29/32.png) [@igor\_frankensteen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/igor_frankensteen)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/12 "2017-05-06T13:48:10Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > Yes, many. Here are just a few: > > [Member Charged in Arson of Black Church With ‘Vote Trump’ Scrawled on Side](https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/21/us/mississippi-church-fire.html?_r=0) > > [Meanwhile, a Louisiana student acknowledged she fabricated a reported attack by two men, one she said wore a “Trump” hat.](http://bigstory.ap.org/article/258032975ef84e2f808726808072684f/police-student-says-man-wearing-trump-hat-attacked-her) > > [Cops: U-M student lied about man threatening to burn hijab](http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/12/21/cops-u-m-student-lied-man-threatening-burn-hjiab/95704464/) > > [Muslim Student Who Said She Was Harassed by Trump Supporters Charged With Filing False Report: Sources](http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Missing-Muslim-Student-Baruch-College-Arrested-False-Alert-Trump-Subway-406606865.html?_osource=SocialFlowTwt_NYBrand) > > [Another Trump-Inspired ‘Hate Crime’ Turns Out To Be A Hoax](http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/23/another-trump-inspired-hate-crime-turns-out-to-be-a-hoax/) > > [San Francisco homeowner’s Nazi flag protest of Trump backfires](http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-homeowner-s-Nazi-flag-protest-of-10605083.php) ``` You want to blame someone for the fact that scams like this occur? Blame the people who are ACTUALLY most responsible: ``` The vile people who really ARE committing such race or other prejudiced based crimes against humanity. _The only reason why anyone DOES fake such things, is because lots of real hate crimes are being committed._ ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/13 "2017-05-06T14:44:07Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > **Chefguy** take it to the pit if you want to be insulting, but don’t do it here. Dang, I thought that’s where this was. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/14 "2017-05-06T17:19:41Z")
> [@igor\_frankensteen](#): > > you want to blame someone for the fact that scams like this occur? Blame the people who are actually most responsible: > > The vile people who really are committing such race or other prejudiced based crimes against humanity. _the only reason why anyone does fake such things, is because lots of real hate crimes are being committed._ rotflmao. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/15 "2017-05-06T17:31:48Z")
> [@Chefguy](#): > > Dang, I thought that’s where this was. It’s the chickenshit alternative. ---
**Author:** ![astro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/9dc877/32.png) [@astro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astro)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/16 "2017-05-06T17:47:07Z")
From what I’ve seen most right wing hate speech is delivered in a focused, private, personal and often surreptitious manner. When you see a spray painted message or similar defacing in the middle of a liberal campus generally located in the middle of a liberal demographic with some generic hate statement like “Kill Fags” or “Burn Jews” I automatically assume it’s 50/50 at best that it’s the work of actual racists. If I saw "Trump will Kill Us All! on a campus wall or “Niggers and Kikes Destroying America!” spray painted on a bridge in a working class white area I’d be more inclined to say those were genuine. Liberal and right wing taggers like to stay in their safe zones if they can. ---
**Author:** ![Projammer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/projammer/32/559_2.png) [@Projammer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Projammer)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/17 "2017-05-07T01:09:07Z")
> [@igor\_frankensteen](#): > > You want to blame someone for the fact that scams like this occur? Blame the people who are ACTUALLY most responsible: > > The vile people who really ARE committing such race or other prejudiced based crimes against humanity. _The only reason why anyone DOES fake such things, is because lots of real hate crimes are being committed._ Wow. Now there is some 1984 level doublespeak. It’s the fault of the group the false flag operation was trying to implicate because they aren’t doing enough to inspire people to rise up against them. ---
**Author:** ![Okrahoma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/90db22/32.png) [@Okrahoma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Okrahoma)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 3:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/18 "2017-05-07T03:39:24Z")
> [@Projammer](#): > > Wow. Now there is some 1984 level doublespeak. It’s the fault of the group the false flag operation was trying to implicate because they aren’t doing enough to inspire people to rise up against them. It is hilarious, isn’t it? I did notice **El\_Kabong** has not returned after demanding other examples and getting them. I just cited a few. I could cite dozens more if I had to. But I don’t have to 🙂 Citing the few killed the thread pretty effectively. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/19 "2017-05-07T04:00:06Z")
> [@Okrahoma](#): > > It is hilarious, isn’t it? > > I did notice **El\_Kabong** has not returned after demanding other examples and getting them. > > I just cited a few. I could cite dozens more if I had to. But I don’t have to 🙂 Citing the few killed the thread pretty effectively. [Real right-wing terrorism](http://markhumphrys.com/left.right.violence.html#right.wing.terror). Start from 2008 if it make you feel safe. [Christian terrorism.](http://markhumphrys.com/christian.terrorism.html#attacks) Start from 2008 if it makes you feel safe. I agree the left needs not make up attacks when there are so many real ones from the right. ETA:[The radical right was more successful in entering the political mainstream last year than in half a century.](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2017/year-hate-and-extremism) > [@](#): > > A surge in right-wing populism, stemming from the long-unfolding effects of globalization and the movements of capital and labor that it spawned, brought a man many considered to be a racist, misogynist and xenophobe into the most powerful political office in the world. Donald Trump’s election as president mirrored similar currents in Europe, where globalization energized an array of extreme-right political movements and the United Kingdom’s decision to quit the European Union. > > Trump’s run for office electrified the radical right, which saw in him a champion of the idea that America is fundamentally a white man’s country. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2017, 6:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957/20 "2017-05-07T06:44:50Z")
> [@IvoryTowerDenizen](#): > > **Chefguy** take it to the pit if you want to be insulting, but don’t do it here. Now that you bring it up, why is this MPSIMS material? 😕 Oh, well, mine not to reason why. My **“Better than Potatoes” Cheesy Cauliflower Puree** can wait until it’s moved, I suppose. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/yet-another-hate-crime-revealed-to-be-a-hoax-by-a-leftist/785957.md?page=2)